Bill Frist: Compassionate Vivisectionist

[Shi Huangdi]

The means: non-issue, doesn't matter, who cares.

Exactly. This was something he had done way back in college, he is an old man now. He admits what he did was wrong. Moreover, animal rights now a big issue in america nor has it ever been(unlike race which Lott comments were insensitive towards). This will be of no political significance.

[General Ludd]

A cat's a cat. I think it's ridiculous that you call him a sick **** and then say he should of "obtained his animals" in a legitimate way, as if some insignifigant technicality turns a sick perversion into a wholesome practice.

[Shi Huangdi]

Oh, and MtG:

"Apologizing should be irrelevant by your standards, Imran, because Byrd long-ago apologized for his Klan ties, which were token anyway. "

Don't you think Byrd would have been in alot more trouble if he had refused to do so? Of course, Byrd has had more recent problems with racism, he recently said the N word on TV.........

[Imran Siddiqui]

Apologizing should be irrelevant by your standards, Imran, because Byrd long-ago apologized for his Klan ties, which were token anyway. Hugo Black was a former Klansman, at least nominally, (as was just about every southern politicion around in the 30's and 40's, it was a powerful constituency, and his record within SCOTUS hardly suggests ol' Hugo hewed to the Klan's values.

I wasn't saying that I don't accept Byrd's apology. I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of accepting a Democrat's apology, but not a Republican' one.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The means: non-issue, doesn't matter, who cares.

It's easier than saying all those things though.

A way of showing that it is a "non-issue", or that it doesn't matter, or that no one cares, is to not respond.
By simply posting you are showing that you have no opinion, are ignorant of the situation, or just completely incapable of forming an argument - but want to take a stance anyways.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I always though that is what the was for. To indicate that it doesn't matter, but not let the poster have the satisfication that since no one responded they conceaded to him. It's a way to show 'no-issue' without making the poster think he's won.

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I always though that is what the was for. To indicate that it doesn't matter, but not let the poster have the satisfication that since no one responded they conceaded to him. It's a way to show 'no-issue' without making the poster think he's won.

Exactly, it's a way of taking a stance without having an opinion.

[The Mad Monk]

Oh -- as to what he's used those cat-honed skills for:

Frist examines AIDS problem, performs surgeries on visit to Africa

By NANCY ZUCKERBROD
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. Bill Frist picked up a license to practice medicine in Uganda Tuesday morning, and by the afternoon he was performing heart surgery on an 18-month-old girl alongside that country's vice president.

This is the fifth time the Tennessee Republican, who worked as a heart-lung transplant surgeon before his 1994 election, has taken a break from politics for a medical mission trip to Africa.

This time, Frist, who pays for the trips himself, visited Uganda, Sudan, Tanzania and Kenya.

In a conference call Tuesday from Kampala, Uganda, Frist said the girl's operation was a success. He said the procedure was needed to close a duct connecting to the aorta. He said the duct is supposed to close off on its own but sometimes doesn't do that.

Ugandan Vice President Specioza Wandira Kazibwe, also a physician, helped with the operation and earned praise from Frist for her surgical skills.

Frist said he performed hernia operations in southern Sudan last week in a primitive hospital that had no running water and where doctors used fishing line to stitch their patients.

In addition to working as a doctor, Frist put on his political hat for meetings with several African officials including a session with Ugandan President Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni to discuss the continent's AIDS crisis.

About 40 million people around the world are infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, according to the United Nations. Approximately 28 million of them live in sub-Saharan Africa, where the epidemic continues to spread rapidly.

Frist praised Museveni for trying to combat the problem and for frankly discussing AIDS in almost all of his speeches. He said he also was pleased at how well Uganda was using the $120 million the United States gave it to fight AIDS through education and HIV/AIDS testing.

Late Tuesday, Frist met with rock star Bono of the group U2 to discuss AIDS and issues surrounding debt relief -- when western countries forgive the debt of developing nations in exchange for pledges to back public health and anti-poverty initiatives.

"It's an issue that Bono and I have met with and worked on in the past in Washington D.C.," said Frist, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Bono has used his fame to advocate debt relief for the world's poorest countries and improve trade relations between Africa and the rest of the world.

Frist, who with the rest of Congress is on break until Jan. 23, said it was too early to say what legislative ideas might develop from his trip. He drafted legislation pertaining to Sudan and Zimbabwe following previous visits to Africa.

President Bush recently signed Frist's bill authorizing increased funding for democracy programs in Zimbabwe, and the Senate approved Frist's legislation aimed at pressuring Sudanese officials to end the civil war that has plagued that country for 18 years. The House passed a different version of the Sudan bill, and negotiators must work on a compromise.

http://www.oakridger.com/stories/011602/stt_0116020050.html

[Imran Siddiqui]

Which was my point... or so I thought.

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by Osweld
A cat's a cat. I think it's ridiculous that you call him a sick **** and then say he should of "obtained his animals" in a legitimate way, as if some insignifigant technicality turns a sick perversion into a wholesome practice.

It is not a "technicality". The animal shelter is for placing animals in homes as pets. I have no problem with experimenting on animals for medical research. Surely there are other methods for obtaining research animals, rather than sneaking down to the animal shelter and obtaining the animals under false pretenses.

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I think what's interesting is (a) how many cats we talkin' here? one, ten, or a few hundred? (b) what kind of "research?" Cats have limited anatomical, immune-response, or other value in relation to human medicine, so after you've dissected your first one in high school biology, there ain't a hell of a lot of "research" that they're good for. (c) Was this part of the Harvard curriculum? (i.e. it was organized research and he was responsible for obtaining animals and did it through different means, or was this a little "extracurricular" activity?

I apologize for not being able to provide concrete numbers.
When I was first told of this story, I didn't believe it. It was hard enough to find a corroborating link.

Originally posted by Static23
WTF? His father owned a hospital, couldn't he just hang out with dead bodies like a normal kid?



It's a good sign for the Republicans that a man whose family (and himself) profited enormously off of Medicare fraud for years will be Senate leader.

Change is in the air.

That is whole different can of worms. I haven't read enough about it yet to comment.

Originally posted by Static23
I'm just pictured Jeffry Coombs from Re-Animator as leader of the Senate. Scary.

[DinoDoc]

Re: Bill Frist: Compassionate Vivisectionist

Originally posted by MosesPresley
Bill Frist adopted the cats under false pretenses and then instead of giving them a good home, he dissects them!

What's the joke about Chinese resturaunts?

[Gibsie]

Not funny?

[monkspider]

Theres nary a thing more disqusting than someone who abuses animals. This guy should be locked up, not the leader of the senate.
I suppose the old saying that Republicans kill kittens is actually entirely correct.

[Imran Siddiqui]

So anyone that uses animals for research should be locked up?

Say goodbye to that cure for AIDS.

[Gibsie]

He said abuse, not just use. Fundamental difference between the two there.