Not the best way to spend Christmas Eve...

[Dis]

And yes I do agree the use of deadly force is not warranted in this case. But sometimes adrenaline clouds judgement. The cops should be fired for lack of judgement.

I do know the police consider high speed chases an endangerment to other people. But it wouldn't endanger anyone if they didn't chase them. I've heard in my city they are going to use choppers for high speed chases and drop car units back. This is the best solution (although expensive).

Thus a kid stealing a car shouldn't warrant deadly force. They should get off their lazy asses and do a foot chase. This is what happens when you lessen physical requirements for police officers. They'd rather should the suspect than chase him/her and tackle him/her.

[Dis]

And Tasers still have trouble because the police still get sued.

Amazingly in our ****ed up justice system the police have less chance of being sued using firearms than non-lethal weapons.

[Asher]

Thus a kid stealing a car shouldn't warrant deadly force. They should get off their lazy asses and do a foot chase. This is what happens when you lesses physical requirements for police officers. They'd rather should the suspect than chase him and tackle him/her.

I don't recall reading that the officers were too lazy to give chase...just that the kid died while fleeing, which is VERY vague and we shouldn't shriek for the officers' heads until we know what happened.

[Sprayber]

You know Dissident, sometimes it's hard to tell exacly what side of an argument you come down on


Asher: Keep up the good work of enlightening those that seek to return the rule of the mob and overreaction.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Asher
So you're saying these cops had a taser-gun but didn't use it?

Again, we don't know anything.

Actually no I didn't. Don't be putting words in my mouth, Asher.

They've made non-lethal weapons for God-knows how long, so the police (meaning any department, any where) have had plenty of opportunity to find alternative methods. I'm sorry, but there's never any good excuse or explanation for killing someone: murder is murder, be it by a criminal, a cop, a soldier, or the state. Our weapons have evolved beyond sticks and stones, we have ways of capturing without killing, so why isn't there any noticable or notable effort to do so?

[Dis]

Yes we don't know the details of this case.

This is why I say we shouldn't be calling for their deaths like some posters are doing. That is no better than a bloodthirsty mob.

Based on what I do know I do think the officers should be suspended (with no pay) and possibly fired. But that could change if more facts come out.

[Nubclear]

I must agree with Asher on this.

If you heard that there was this guy in Utah who shot a woman twice and then stabbed her to death, the normal reactionw ould be "Oh my god! How evil!". However what if they left out the part where the woman tried to kill the man through means of slow torture? Then it becomes a self defense issue....

We don't know the whole story so judging right now doesnt seem very fair at all.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Dissident
This is a mob mentality. You do not act until you get the facts.

I must take exception to this thread. What is this a blood thirsty mob.

It's reasons like these people had public hangings. People like you are bloodthirsty calling for these troopers deaths.

How about we get some facts before we go for their heads.

And I said that I DO NOT SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY in the very first post. Thanks for the moment of clarity...

[Asher]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Actually no I didn't. Don't be putting words in my mouth, Asher.

I wasn't really sure what you were saying, hence the question mark...

I'm just struggling to see why you thought it was relevant to talk about how police can use taser-guns in a thread that's specific about the cops killing a kid on christmas eve...

[Dis]

and yes I am taking both sides of the argument.

I do think the force was excessive, but I'm not calling for their heads. They made a mistake. It's a tough job, and when they make mistakes peopel get killed. It's tragic.

I'm amazed the article didn't point out the race of the suspect and officers. They would have if the conditions were right.

[Nubclear]

"Black man shoots woman twice, then stabs her violently several times killing her"

That would've sparked a small storm Just as this is!

[Dis]

And you mentioned you don't support the death penalty yet you said they deserved it. Hence my comments about the bloodthirsty mob.

Because despite this lack of judgement by the officers, I do not think they deserve the death penalty. I don't think they even deserve prison time.

[DRoseDARs]

Yes, I said they deserve it. While I believe life for a life is naturally fair (meaning natural for animals outside of sentient civilization), it is morally wrong and is contrary to civilized society. If we take the life of another, it makes us no better than the animals we claim to be better than (evolution vs. creation debate aside). Again, we have ways of dealing with dangerous situations that might otherwise end in needless death. Further, death isn't a good way of teaching someone they did wrong. Dead men don't learn...they're just dead.

We don't know the details of this case yet, I'll grant you all that, but I still don't care. I'm not usually this wrapped in something (most of my days are now spent in an apathetic stuppor, largely being drained by events foreign, domestic, and personal over recent years), but this really got to me. This isn't the note I wanted to end MY Christmas Eve on, and I'm certain neither the cops, the kid, nor his parents wanted it either.

[DRoseDARs]

Great, yet another reason to say, "Bah, humbug..."

G'Night all, I'm going to bed. Screw this story, I'm sure there be plenty more bad news to blacken my mood soon enough...

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
We don't know the details of this case yet, I'll grant you all that, but I still don't care. I'm not usually this wrapped in something (most of my days are now spent in an apathetic stuppor, largely being drained by events foreign, domestic, and personal over recent years), but this really got to me. This isn't the note I wanted to end MY Christmas Eve on, and I'm certain neither the cops, the kid, nor his parents wanted it either.

So this is more about how you feel about it than what the facts may be. Write an op ed about it and get it out of your system.