What should America do next?

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Lemmy
Am i the only one who is confused by this?
America is the most democratic society.
Europe isn't as democratic, it's too communistic.
Today the US is no real democracy.
Capitalism stands in the way of true democracy.

I'd guess the first paragraph, up to the end of the bracket [europe)] was something he was quoting, and the rest was his reply. But then I am not sure, it was a little confusing

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
Whoops, Sava and Odin! Time to brush up on Article V:

Yeah, it seems like they want to change the system until they get what they want.

The United States is not a nation of individuals, its a nation of individual states. Thats why its often called the "Union". And by that logic, its completely democratic. Each state has an equal say.

What sava is suggesting (it seems) is the merging all of the states into one huge gigantic government. That has inefficiency written all over it.

[KaiserIsak]

Well, the first part was irony at the expense of the so-called democracy you have over there.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
What sava is suggesting (it seems) is the merging all of the states into one huge gigantic government. That has inefficiency written all over it.

Right now were testing it with the Homeland Secuirty department...if sucessful, it'll move to te states.....

[Lonestar]

Nah. I say the Federal System will continue to work.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Nah. I say the Federal System will continue to work.

Federalism is a relic of the states' rights BS. (I shudder every time I think of John C. Caulhoun. )

[Stefu]

I think America should do Britain.

The crack between Wales and Cornwall is exceptant for long, hard thrusts of Florida!

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Stefu
I think America should do Britain.

Kinky

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Odin


Federalism is a relic of the states' rights BS. (I shudder every time I think of John C. Caulhoun. )

What would you suggest it be replaced with?

[Drogue]

Proportional Representation. Other than nuking the place () It seems the most popular idea amoung apolytoners

[Drogue]

Originally posted by David Floyd
It just seems like, that for such a flawed system, democracy has so many supporters.

Flawed but fair. I think that's important to many people. Like Churchil said

Democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried

I personally do not like democracy as it is now, as all politicians care about is the time until the next election, rather than long term, because they're main aim is to get re-elected. However, Churchill is right IMO, I have never heard of a system that works better.

Much like capitalism. I don't like it, but I don't think we have a system that would work better in practice. Democracy and Capitalism are the best system until humanity, and human nature has evolved IMHO.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Drogue
Proportional Representation. Other than nuking the place () It seems the most popular idea amoung apolytoners

Why? So California can always get what it wants and the rest of the country can rot to sh*t? That doesn't sound very democratic to me... In fact, it sounds alot like Ontario here in Canada.

PR is just mob rule... it screws over minority opinions. Its also a great way of enforcing the status quo indefinately.

Besides, I don't think many other American are crying out for PR. Oh, but I suppose thats just because Americans are ignorant f*cks and you know better

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Drogue

Flawed but fair. I think that's important to many people. Like Churchil said

I personally do not like democracy as it is now, as all politicians care about is the time until the next election, rather than long term, because they're main aim is to get re-elected. However, Churchill is right IMO, I have never heard of a system that works better.

Much like capitalism. I don't like it, but I don't think we have a system that would work better in practice. Democracy and Capitalism are the best system until humanity, and human nature has evolved IMHO.

And then we can all live in a classless, moneyless, communist utopia

Seriously though, whats with all the griping about capitalism? All it is is a system that lets anyone do whatever they want to make a living as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.

If your problem is with big business and multinationals thats more of an issue with anti trust laws. Those can always be amended and stiffened. Socialism is hardly the answer. Besides, you can always move to Cuba

[Drogue]

I'm not American, so I've no need to move to cuba. The only gripe I have with capitalism is the inequality. By having a strong welfare system it solves that, but as if that'll happen in the US

About the Utopia, that's, whatb I said. Capitalism works better than any other system at the moment, but I hope humanity will evolve so that a utopian style system will work.

If California has more residents, why should it not have more say? Otherwise each person in California has less say, and less power than each person in say Alaska. PR does not screw minorities. Actually, here in the UK it will help them. If we had PR we would have the Green Party getting one or 2 seats, and I think the UKIP and BNP would get one too. However, with first past the post, only the 3 main parties and a couple of independants get seats.

California will not get everything, because it is not a majority in itself. However, each persons opinion there is as valid as someone is any other state, yet with government by state and not PR each voter in Alaska has 50 times as much voting power when it comes to the senate than each Californian voter (Cali has 50 times population and the same number of senators) IMO that's fairer.

[JimmyCracksCorn]

Originally posted by Drogue
I'm not American, so I've no need to move to cuba. The only gripe I have with capitalism is the inequality. By having a strong welfare system it solves that, but as if that'll happen in the US

About the Utopia, that's, whatb I said. Capitalism works better than any other system at the moment, but I hope humanity will evolve so that a utopian style system will work.

If California has more residents, why should it not have more say? Otherwise each person in California has less say, and less power than each person in say Alaska. PR does not screw minorities. Actually, here in the UK it will help them. If we had PR we would have the Green Party getting one or 2 seats, and I think the UKIP and BNP would get one too. However, with first past the post, only the 3 main parties and a couple of independants get seats.

California will not get everything, because it is not a majority in itself. However, each persons opinion there is as valid as someone is any other state, yet with government by state and not PR each voter in Alaska has 50 times as much voting power when it comes to the senate than each Californian voter (Cali has 50 times population and the same number of senators) IMO that's fairer.

Yes, but why should we have Alaskans deciding what happens in California, or New Yorkers deciding what happens in Nebraska? Government by state allows each state to take care of its own affairs and districting (as opposed to PR) gives each state equal sufferage when it comes to national affairs.

So you're saying states should be disbanded as political units?