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  • #46
    I'm not American, so I've no need to move to cuba. The only gripe I have with capitalism is the inequality. By having a strong welfare system it solves that, but as if that'll happen in the US
    If you can't afford health insurance, the state pays for it (medicare). If you're unemployed, the state gives you unemployment cheques. If you can't pay your bills you file for bankruptcy and you're protected.

    Do you want to be spoonfed too?

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    • #47
      No states are fine, but I think the senate should go, or at least should be elected by people not by state. I agree, Alaskans should not have a say in Californian state matters, but each Californian should have an equal say as each Alaska in federal matters. In federal matters I don't think states serve a purpose.

      As Frankychan said: Go 3rd Estate!

      I don't want to be spoonfed, I live in a society where I feel we have enough welfare. I like having the National Health Service, having state pensions, state unempolyment benefits etc. IMHO America does not go far enough, but that is what it has decided, and it doesn't affect me, so I have no reason to complain. I'm just glad I don't live there.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn


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        • #49
          Originally posted by Drogue
          No states are fine, but I think the senate should go, or at least should be elected by people not by state.
          We addressed that "problem" about 90 years ago. All it's caused is an increase in special interests groups controlling the Senate.

          Indirect elections mean that the candidates don't have to rely on campaign contributions as much. That's why we don't elect the Supreme Court - so that the donators can't influence them.

          In reality democracy is a pretty crappy system, since half the population has a double digit IQ, and big money groups are able to easily influence them. The government is effectively run by the rich and the retarded.
          John Brown did nothing wrong.

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          • #50
            Proportional Representation. Other than nuking the place () It seems the most popular idea amoung apolytoners

            Damn straight. Ontario is getting screwed in Canada. We have 38% of Canada's population, the part that hasn't atrophied into worthless drones like the Prairies and the Maritimes, but we only control a mere 33% of the Federal government. It sounds to me as though we are getting shafted by the CCRAP-voting Westerners and the unemployable Easterners.
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            • #51
              North America does not seem to be doing well
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              • #52
                nuking america sounds good, specifically washington, dc. in all seriousness though i'd most like to see the us gov't(all parts of it) shrink tremendously, and have all the benefits that comes with that.
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                • #53
                  Seriously though, whats with all the griping about capitalism? All it is is a system that lets anyone do whatever they want to make a living as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
                  Had THIS been capitalism, do you really think so many would have been so upset on it?
                  Capitalism is a system which is developing trough peoples egoism, in contrast to socialism who is a system who progress trough peoples solidarity. The problem with capitalism is that they who are in power, people with money, lets the profit rule their prioritys. This cause enviromental disasters, animal extinction, slavery, hunger.

                  And YES, there is an option. It is called socialism, and it is a system where the peoples needs are what makes it all going. Not a few peoples needs for profit. It is a system with true democracy, where everybody owns the resources togheter. Not those who accidently inheritet (not sure if it is the right word to use) it from their parents.

                  Most rich people today are children of rich people, while most poor peoples are children of poor people. Is that what you call "a system that lets anyone do whatever they want to make a living ".
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Flubber
                    The only problem is that if your senate was proportional as well as the House of Representatives, you would quickly end up with a situation where some 30-40 states would feel irrelevant to the process. This feeds feelings of alienation. As it is now, the senator for Maine or Rhode Island can exert some influence for their constituents. I don't necessarily see that as a terrible thing but it does lead to an ongoing situation where a minority of the population elect a majority of the Senate.

                    I guess it all depends if you place any value on having some form of effective regional representation. If the Senate were going to be purely based on population, you may as well just abolish it since in theory it should just mirror the House
                    30-40 states should be irrelevant to the process. If I were reorganizing the US, I would get rid of the concept of the State altogether. Or at least redraw the borders in such a way to make things more efficient.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #55
                      Sooner or later society has to start thinking of itself as one unit. Nationalism needs to go... the idea of personal wealth needs to go... Human civilization will never unite as long as capitalism is around.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #56
                        America nuking itself won a disturbing amount of votes. Incidently I voted for nuking Japan. Bwaha.

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                        • #57
                          Flawed but fair. I think that's important to many people.
                          I fail to see how majority rule is fair to anyone except those in the majority at that particular moment.

                          However, Churchill is right IMO, I have never heard of a system that works better.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by David Floyd
                            How unlibertarian of you
                            Have you seen a system work better? If so, where? Please enlighten us.
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                            • #59
                              DOn't try arguing with Floyd about Democracy vs absolute freedom... I'm convinced the he thinks people should have the "freedom" to commit murder.
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #60
                                I'm convinced the he thinks people should have the "freedom" to commit murder.
                                No you aren't. You're just saying that to build yourself up at my expense.

                                Have you seen a system work better? If so, where? Please enlighten us.
                                No, because I don't think that ANY current or past system works very well. I have HEARD of one, though
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