U.S. begins interning Muslim immigrants

[Andrew1999]

Originally posted by Thrawn05
If a red ford was spotted in a drive-by shooting, the police are not going to pull over every car, just red fords.

It's called Profiling, and dispite what your PC teacher says, it works. If a Black man is spotted comitting a crime, the cops are not going to look for White women. Likewise, if a Carrot-top irishmen like myself was also spotted comitting a crime, the cops are going to look for a Carrottop Irishmen, not a Black man.

We know all the terrorists in the US are arabs, so we are not going to look for anyone else.

Geez, you San-Fran liberials need to get a life.

Wow, I didn't know Richard Reid, Jose Padilla, and John Walker Lindh were Arabs. Thanks for enlightening me.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by DanS
Looks to me like another INS fubar. They aren't citizens, so don't have certain rights that citizens have. Yes, we can even intern them if we choose. But this is just hamfisted.

They are legal immigrants who are not charged with any crime. And just because they aren't citizens doesn't mean they don't have rights--it has been consistently held that non-citizens in the U.S. do have the same basic rights as others, excluding ones granted specifically to citizens in the Constitution (i.e. voting).

This is just wrong.

Thrawn05, please tell me that post was a joke, because I certainly laughed at it.

[Kropotkin]

Profiling, my ass. First off, it's profiling for a crime that hasn't happend yet. That's not to say that the govt shouldn't look into islamic extremists in the US. But that's not really the same thing as arresting people just because they come from a specific country. They need something more to go on than etnicity and religion. It's hardly so that the police arrests white christians more or less at random when they suspect attacs against abortion-clinics.

This is just contra-productive. If speaking out against random arrests against people from different groups is PC (is starting do get more and more ridiculious as a argument imho) there's nothing wrong with being PC.

[Ozz]

More courtroom action on the way, if the US ever
gets off a "war" footing.

Has the US settled with their Japanese interns from WW2 yet?

[Edan]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
They are legal immigrants who are not charged with any crime.

Incorrect. "INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. "

And just because they aren't citizens doesn't mean they don't have rights--it has been consistently held that non-citizens in the U.S. do have the same basic rights as others, excluding ones granted specifically to citizens in the Constitution (i.e. voting).

Which was what Dan said. "They aren't citizens, so don't have certain rights that citizens have. "

This is just wrong.

Probably, though I want to hear the Justice department's explanation (or lame excuse ) for this before jumping to a conclusion.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Edan
Incorrect. "INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. "

The did enter the U.S. legally, however, and they have yet to be charged with any crime. And many of them who had "overstayed" were victims of government snafu/slugishness in the first place.

Which was what Dan said. "They aren't citizens, so don't have certain rights that citizens have. "

Yeah but the certain rights they don't have are irrelevant to this, because among the rights they DO have are entitlement to due process, protection from false/malicious arrest, protection from unreasonable search and seizure, etc. Nobody here was arrested for voting illegally.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


The did enter the U.S. legally, however, and they have yet to be charged with any crime. And many of them who had "overstayed" were victims of government snafu/slugishness in the first place.

Excpt that once they "overstayed", they were no longer legal immigrants, even if it was the government's slugishness. Should they be released (or at least, returned to their country of origin) if the government is at fault? Certainly. But that doen't mean that the US shouldn't arrest them until an investigation can find that out.

Yeah but the certain rights they don't have are irrelevant to this, because among the rights they DO have are entitlement to due process, protection from false/malicious arrest, protection from unreasonable search and seizure, etc. Nobody here was arrested for voting illegally.

Actually, I'm not sure all of those are protected (for illegal immigrants) under the constitution. Heck, not even US citizens get those things some of the time . I'll wait until I get a more clear and detailed and balanced source that gives me a better picture before I start screaming bloody murder.

[Sonic]

Scary...

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Edan
Actually, I'm not sure all of those are protected (for illegal immigrants) under the constitution. Heck, not even US citizens get those things some of the time .

It has been pretty consistently ruled that even illegals get due process. There is nothing in the Constitution that limits due process and protection of civil liberties to citizens only. It's not really something you can imply in the Constitution.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Ozz
More courtroom action on the way, if the US ever
gets off a "war" footing.

Has the US settled with their Japanese interns from WW2 yet?

Yep.

Has Canada settled with theirs?

[Jac de Molay]

Excpt that once they "overstayed", they were no longer legal immigrants, even if it was the government's slugishness

This is exceedingly common with people who overstay their visas. The government allows for a certain grace period when people are awaiting visa approvals as the necessary paperwork moves through.


Still, they shouldn't be targeting just Arabs alone for these types of infractions.

[Edan]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


It has been pretty consistently ruled that even illegals get due process.

And where is your evidence that these illegal citizens are not recieving due process?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Edan
And where is your evidence that these illegal citizens have not recieved due process?

Part of the deal is being granted equal protection. If INS is solely targeting Arab immigrants, that violates equal protection.

[Edan]

Originally posted by DetroitDave
Still, they shouldn't be targeting just Arabs alone for these types of infractions.

True. They should hae registered all immigrants, not just ones from Middle Eastern countries, and then arrested those who were illegal imgrants (or commited crimes, etc).

[Edan]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Part of the deal is being granted equal protection. If INS is solely targeting Arab immigrants, that violates equal protection.

I don't think that quite applies. The INS are targeting people whom they know are illegal immigrants and who they can locate and arrest - it just happens that thanks to the latest efforts, they happen to locate a lot more Middle Eastern illegal immigrants than other nationalities. And from what I can tell, they are treating these illegal immigrants the same way they have treated other illegal immigrants.