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    Hundreds of Muslim Immigrants Rounded Up in Calif.
    Wed Dec 18, 8:47 PM ET Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!


    By Jill Serjeant

    LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hundreds of Iranian and other Middle East citizens were in southern California jails on Wednesday after coming forward to comply with a new rule to register with immigration authorities only to wind up handcuffed and behind bars.

    Shocked and frustrated Islamic and immigrant groups estimate that more than 500 people have been arrested in Los Angeles, neighboring Orange County and San Diego in the past three days under a new nationwide anti-terrorism program. Some unconfirmed reports put the figure as high as 1,000.

    The arrests sparked a demonstration by hundreds of Iranians outside a Los Angeles immigration office. The protesters carried banners saying "What's next? Concentration camps?" and "What happened to liberty and justice?."

    A spokesman for the Immigration and Naturalization Service said no numbers of people arrested would be made public. A Justice Department (news - web sites) spokesman could not be reached for comment.

    The head of the southern California chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) compared the arrests to the internment of Japanese Americans in camps during the Second World War.

    "I think it is shocking what is happening. It is reminiscent of what happened in the past with the internment of Japanese Americans. We are getting a lot of telephone calls from people. We are hearing that people went down wanting to cooperate and then they were detained," said Ramona Ripston, the ACLU's executive director.

    JAILS OVERFLOWING

    One activist said local jails were so overcrowded that the immigrants could be sent to Arizona, where they could face weeks or months in prisons awaiting hearings before immigration judges or deportation.

    "It is a shock. You don't expect this to happen. It is really putting fright and apprehension in the community. People who come from these countries -- this is what they expect from their government. Not from America," said Sabiha Khan of the Southern California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations.

    The arrests were part of a post Sept. 11 program that requires all males over 16 from a list of 20 Arab or Middle East countries, who do not have permanent resident status in the United States, to register with U.S. immigration authorities.

    Monday was the deadline for men from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Sudan. News of the mass arrests came first in southern California, which is home to more than 600,000 Iranian exiles and their families.

    Officials declined to give figures for those arrested or for the numbers of people who turned up to register, be fingerprinted and have their photographs taken.

    "We are not releasing any numbers," said Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) spokesman Francisco Arcaute.

    CALLS FOR HELP

    Islamic groups and the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said they had been swamped with calls for help.

    INS spokesman Arcaute said those arrested had violated immigration laws, overstayed their visas, or were wanted for crimes. The program was prompted by concern about the lack of records on tourists, students and other visitors to the United States after the Sept. 11 hijack plane attacks on New York and Washington.

    Islamic community leaders said many of the detainees had been living, working and paying taxes in the United States for five or 10 years, and had families here.

    "Terrorists most likely wouldn't come to the INS to register. It is really a bad way to go about it. They are being treated as criminals and that really goes against American ideals of fairness, and justice and democracy," Khan said.

    The Iranian protesters said many of those detained were victims of official delays in processing visa and green card requests.

    "My father, they just took him in," one young man told reporters. "They've been treating him like an animal. They put him in a room with, like, 50 other people and no bed or anything."

    Khan said one of those in jail was a doctor, who was being sponsored for U.S. citizenship when his sponsor died.

    One Syrian man said he went to register in Orange County with a dozen friends. He was the only one to come out of the INS office. "All my friends are inside right now," M.M. Trapici, 45, told reporters. "I have to visit the family for each one today. Most of them have small kids."
    I can't believe the Reichsta...er, Congress can allow this to continue...
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    Who will be next? Maybe if they find out that the Kenya bombers were blacks, they might try to "register" all blacks too.

    You are guilty until proven innocent.
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    • #3
      Yeah, I agree. There's been a lot of arrests and detentions around here too that suddenly "disappear" from the front pages.

      They seem to be targeting Arab businesses and groups around here for crimes under the Patriot Act, but seem to ignore everyone else.

      Sad
      "Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.

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      • #4
        Disturbing.

        -Arrian
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        • #5



          bout time

          (another thought)


          At least they are not telling the masses that the quickest way to heaven is to kill a muslim
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          • #6
            What DetroitDave said sounded spookily familiar to the tests for voting rights in the South during the segregation era.

            It'd been found that whites were getting away putting stuff like "Pie tastes good" (I can't remember exactly, but that's about close ) on the tests and passing. Some blacks were writing sophisticated essays and failing.

            Arrian summed it up best:

            Disturbing.
            meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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            • #7
              Not good at all. It doesn't help, seeing as the people in terorist cells are hardly going to register, but it does hurt overall community relations as well as presumably relations with the countries of origin.

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              • #8
                It'd been found that whites were getting away putting stuff like "Pie tastes good" (I can't remember exactly, but that's about close ) on the tests and passing. Some blacks were writing sophisticated essays and failing.


                WTF

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                • #9
                  Eh, that's what was going on IIRC.
                  meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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                  • #10
                    Bad mouthing the PATRIOT Act?

                    What's the matter, people? Aren't you patriots? Don't you love this country? You aren't anti-American, are you???

                    John Ashcroft is watching.
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                    • #11
                      Looks to me like another INS fubar. They aren't citizens, so don't have certain rights that citizens have. Yes, we can even intern them if we choose. But this is just hamfisted.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        If a red ford was spotted in a drive-by shooting, the police are not going to pull over every car, just red fords.

                        It's called Profiling, and dispite what your PC teacher says, it works. If a Black man is spotted comitting a crime, the cops are not going to look for White women. Likewise, if a Carrot-top irishmen like myself was also spotted comitting a crime, the cops are going to look for a Carrottop Irishmen, not a Black man.

                        We know all the terrorists in the US are arabs, so we are not going to look for anyone else.

                        Geez, you San-Fran liberials need to get a life.
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                        • #13
                          Yeah, like the unabomber guy. He was Iranian right?
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                          • #14
                            Don't you understand these people are enemies of the Land of the Free ?
                            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Thrawn05
                              Likewise, if a Carrot-top irishmen like myself was also spotted comitting a crime, the cops are going to look for a Carrottop Irishmen, not a Black man.
                              That's not necessarily true. My former neighbor, who was also a comrade (in a different group) once came outside to find a white man stabbing his wife. She died in my neighbor's arms. This was an overwhelmingly Black neighborhood. My apartment, my neighbor's apartment, and apparently these two people, were the only whites in ano otherwise all Black neighborhood.

                              Despite the fact that my neighbor was an eye-witness (one among several), despite the fact that she repeatedly told the police "It's that man, standing right there," (he didn't leave the area after stabbing his wife) who did it, the police kept trying to get her to say a Black man did it.

                              Another friend of mine was stopped almost everytime the police were looking for a Black person. We used to joke about it, looking for a Black male between 5'6" and 6'6", light to dark complextion, thin to overweight, short to long hair, 16- 60, possibly armed. Profiling was just an excuse for the police to harrass Black students at DePaul, which is in a largely white neighborhood.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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