Rugby - Last Feet!

[Tamerlin]

I know, I know it's more or less the same things.

BTW, I have read a very interesting article on the pass and the different kind of passes. The journalist states that the generalization of the "screwd" pass is one of the main reason why many attacks are aborted thus leading to more mauls, more spontaneous scrums or more handling errors. Though the "screwd" pass is ideal for the long distances other kinds of passes, like what the journalist call the "french pass", would allow for the player to attack the ball at full speed for the greatest benefit of the backs. On the contrary the "screwd" pass is more difficult to catch (handling errors) and often slows down the attacker which is more easily tackled by the defense (mauls and scrums).

Jo Maso (National Technical Director of the French XV) says the "screwd" pass is now predominant because it is easier to teach, less difficult to learn and thus no more teached. The "French pass" would now only be known by the forwards (and especially the french forwards) because they are used to pass the ball at very short distances.

I have carefully looked at the passes all along the Stade Toulousain vs. Edinburgh game and I think I have spotted a few attacks that have aborted because the pass was not adequate.

Is the game partly changing because of the "screwd" pass?


P.S : I know that to screw up means fumbling but I don't know how to translate "passe vissée" otherwise.

[finbar]

Tamerlin - by "screw pass", I assume you mean when the ball is rotated as it leaves the passer's hands? The rotation is supposed to make the ball travel straighter and faster - as a bullet rotates for that reason - and not just float through the air. By a "French pass", do you mean simply passing the ball without rotating it?

Anyway, it's an interesting theory. I suppose it depends on the length of the pass. Over any more than 2 or 3 metres, I'd've thought the rotation method was superior because the ball can't float off its path.

BTW, "passe vissée" translates, literally, as "aimed pass". Which, I guess, is the opposite of the sort of pass a tighthead prop might throw.

[Havak]

And your considered opinion is?

Honestly? That he is a fantastic player who until recently was ‘coasting’ shall we say , but who is now on fire and deserves to stay. But he’ll stay as a blindside except during RWC (and I guess that may surprise Caligastia but do remember we have Back and Moody on our books – the old master and the young gun both coincidentally still injured after the Bok clash – cheekbone and shoulder respectively).

BTW Havak, do you dare tell Mrs Havak and your company that you've devoted at least 33% of your working time connected to the Internet looking for Rugby news?

Actually I tell her I’m looking at Kitchens, bathrooms, paints and wallpapers most of the time.

I finish for a fortnight tomorrow guys – so if I do not get chance to drop in again Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to you all.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
Actually I tell her I’m looking at Kitchens, bathrooms, paints and wallpapers most of the time.

You little homemaker, you.

I finish for a fortnight tomorrow guys – so if I do not get chance to drop in again Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to you all.

You too!



*finbar looks around for someone else to torment for a fortnight*

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
Tamerlin - by "screw pass", I assume you mean when the ball is rotated as it leaves the passer's hands? The rotation is supposed to make the ball travel straighter and faster - as a bullet rotates for that reason - and not just float through the air.

Yes, it is nonetheless interesting to note that according to Jo Maso the "aimed pass" is ideal for long distances because of a better accuracy and because the ball has lost some speed and is floating at the end of its travel and can thus be attacked by the catching player.

By a "French pass", do you mean simply passing the ball without rotating it?

It's more technical than that but the ball is actually not rotated in the "French pass".

Anyway, it's an interesting theory. I suppose it depends on the length of the pass. Over any more than 2 or 3 metres, I'd've thought the rotation method was superior because the ball can't float off its path.

Over 3 metres the "aimed pass" is justified though most players are handling an "aimed pass" even under 3 metres.

BTW, "passe vissée" translates, literally, as "aimed pass". Which, I guess, is the opposite of the sort of pass a tighthead prop might throw.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
*finbar looks around for someone else to torment for a fortnight*

Merry Xmas Havak!

[Havak]

You little homemaker, you.

And I am a little fibber too.

I may drop in occasionally over the festive period - if we manage to win our games of course.

Don’t read too much into it if you see we lost the game this Saturday – it’s the RFU national cup and we are hosting the second place side from the second division. It’s likely we will have a third string side out.

More than that it’s not included on the season ticket so I’ve had to fork out good money for tickets to it.

Still lets keep the Xmas spirit going - Noël heureux Tamerlin.

Is that anywhere near correct?

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Havak
And I am a little fibber too.
I may drop in occasionally over the festive period - if we manage to win our games of course.

Don't leave me alone!

Don’t read too much into it if you see we lost the game this Saturday – it’s the RFU national cup and we are hosting the second place side from the second division. It’s likely we will have a third string side out.

We have the same thing in France, the French Cup, the best clubs are only engaging second string players in this competition.

Still lets keep the Xmas spirit going - Noël heureux Tamerlin.

Joyeux Noël Havak!

By the way, don't bother to respect the spirit of Xmas as far as I am concerned as I don't believe in any god, actually I don't like at all this period of the year (hypocrisy and make believe are at their best at this time). It's a real pain to see the whole Apolyton site littered with Father Christmas hats.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Tamerlin
By the way, don't bother to respect the spirit of Xmas as far as I am concerned as I don't believe in any god, actually I don't like at all this period of the year (hypocrisy and make believe are at their best at this time). It's a real pain to see the whole Apolyton site littered with Father Christmas hats.

Bah, humbug!

Come Tamerlin, don't be such a grinch! You don't like the ideal of peace and goodwill to all men? Sure, people can be hypocritical at this time of year, but those people are hypocites all year anyway. At least people are more likely to be aware that their fellow humans are their brothers and sisters at this time of year. Enjoy it while it lasts!

[Havak]

Don't leave me alone!

I have every faith in your ability to keep the faith in my absence.

We have the same thing in France, the French Cup, the best clubs are only engaging second string players in this competition.

Do they still, like our sides, expect you to still pay full price to watch the games?

Joyeux Noël Havak!

Merci. It would have been rather unusual had I got any French grammar correct I suppose.

Which is rather embarassing because almost twenty years ago I gained a French O level.

actually I don't like at all this period of the year

I like it. Because I get nearly two weeks off and for no other reason.

Ideally in life I would like to be entirely my own boss like Finbar – but I doubt I would get any work done!

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Caligastia You don't like the ideal of peace and goodwill to all men?

This is why I believe in this kind of things that I truly dislike Xmas, in the Northern Hemisphere countries it is now mainly a huge commercial festival and a period of time when the social differences are even more visible. As if it were not enough, many people are justifying an irresponsive or stupid behavior saying "it's Xmas!" with a soft voice and an idiotic smile on their face.

While the Northern Hemisphere is celebrating Xmas, there are wars elsewhere in the world, third world countries devastated by plagues or faced with economical disaters. What is bothering me is that the world seems to stop for Xmas as if nothing else had any importance, people are all too happy reveling into a commercial orgy instead of thinking about the state of the world and the way to change things. All year round people don't like to think and face the real problems of the world, they don't care about them at all, for many persons Xmas is the occasion to say it's not the time to bother about problems as if they cared about them the rest of the year.

Moreover, most of the Rugby Unions in the world have declared a respite and there won't be any Rugby games after this week.

If I had not a seven years old kid, I would leave for a remote part of the world far from this faked excitement.

Of course, if you believe in God and his son (though the story as it is told has some inconsistencies), it is another matter and you are entitled to celebrate this date properly and I respect and even encourage it. But remember the vast majority of the people celebrating Xmas are not believing in God or are "token" believers and that a simple prayer for the weak and the oppressed is not enough. In my own opinion, to believe is a state of mind and a way of living which can be hard, how many believers do you know who are acting this way?

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Havak
I have every faith in your ability to keep the faith in my absence.

Thank you, I will try to be worthy of your confidence.

Do they still, like our sides, expect you to still pay full price to watch the games?

In the first part of the competition no, after the first rounds a fee is charged for each game but it is far from overpriced.

Merci. It would have been rather unusual had I got any French grammar correct I suppose.
Which is rather embarassing because almost twenty years ago I gained a French O level.

The intricacies of the French language are difficult to master Petit Scarabée...

I like it. Because I get nearly two weeks off and for no other reason.

I must admit this is an excellent reason to like Xmas...

Ideally in life I would like to be entirely my own boss like Finbar – but I doubt I would get any work done!

This is what I am trying to do, I'am currently working on a translation from english to french for a company based in Paris but I don't think I can earn a living this way as the flow of work is not always steady.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


This is why I believe in this kind of things that I truly dislike Xmas, in the Northern Hemisphere countries it is now mainly a huge commercial festival and a period of time when the social differences are even more visible.

In what way are they more visible? Can you give me an example?

As if it were not enough, many people are justifying an irresponsive or stupid behavior saying "it's Xmas!" with a soft voice and an idiotic smile on their face.

At this time of year people are also more likely to say "it's Xmas" as they give to a charity, tip big, and smile at each other.

While the Northern Hemisphere is celebrating Xmas, there are wars elsewhere in the world, third world countries devastated by plagues or faced with economical disaters. What is bothering me is that the world seems to stop for Xmas as if nothing else had any importance, people are all too happy reveling into a commercial orgy instead of thinking about the state of the world and the way to change things.

So we can never celebrate or be happy because we should be thinking about the state of the world and the way to change things?

Moreover, most of the Rugby Unions in the world have declared a respite and there won't be any Rugby games after this week.

Definitely a downside.

If I had not a seven years old kid, I would leave for a remote part of the world far from this faked excitement.

You may feel it is faked, but I believe that most people are genuinely excited and feel at least a little more goodwill towards their fellow humans.

Of course, if you believe in God and his son (though the story as it is told has some inconsistencies), it is another matter and you are entitled to celebrate this date properly and I respect and even encourage it. But remember the vast majority of the people celebrating Xmas are not believing in God or are "token" believers and that a simple prayer for the weak and the oppressed is not enough. In my own opinion, to believe is a state of mind and a way of living which can be hard, how many believers do you know who are acting this way?

I don't think you can know whether the vast majority believe in God or not, and I agree that the biblical story has inconsistencies, but I don't read the biblical version.

This version seems more real to me: http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper122.html

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Caligastia
In what way are they more visible? Can you give me an example?

The rich can offer somptuous presents which do not mean much because there is no sacrifice at all while the poor are just struggling to buy presents for their kid, they are encouraged to spend more money than they can because they don't want their kids to be frustrated.

At this time of year people are also more likely to say "it's Xmas" as they give to a charity, tip big, and smile at each other.

Why not all year round ?

So we can never celebrate or be happy because we should be thinking about the state of the world and the way to change things?

Don't worry it is not an hindrance, you can be informed about what is going on in the world and be perfectly happy. Those that are deeply shocked by what they see or hear in the news are those that are hiding their face under the sand the whole year and are suddenly discovering a harsh reality they prefer to ignore most of the time.

Definitely a downside.

You may feel it is faked, but I believe that most people are genuinely excited and feel at least a little more goodwill towards their fellow humans.

It is a pity they return to their selfish behavior as soon as the feast is ended.

I don't think you can know whether the vast majority believe in God or not...

I am convinced of this one.

...and I agree that the biblical story has inconsistencies, but I don't read the biblical version.

I was kidding...

This version seems more real to me: http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper122.html

But I will nonetheless have a look at this thread tonight.

Merry Christmas!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Tamerlin
The rich can offer somptuous presents which do not mean much because there is no sacrifice at all while the poor are just struggling to buy presents for their kid, they are encouraged to spend more money than they can because they don't want their kids to be frustrated.

But how is this visible to you and I? Unless we go into the homes of the rich folks and the poor folks, we will not see this.

Why not all year round ?

I agree, but at least it happens once a year.

It is a pity they return to their selfish behavior as soon as the feast is ended.

Yes, I agree.

I am convinced of this one.

I am convinced the opposite is true, but I guess we won't agree...

Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas.