PC game sales decline for first time ever, Console sales continue to break records

[lightblue]

At the moment I only play MMORPGs (DAoC, Asheron Call 2).Can't play those on consoles so i am not interested in them. IMO consoles are better for sports games, "platform" games, 3rd person games and fighting games. PCs are better for strategy (can you imagine civ on an Xbox? I can't), RPG, FPS and Flight sims. Anything that requires you to use more than 12 buttons is better on a PC.

[Saint Marcus]

Consoles can kiss my ass, because their games suck. Period. You cannot make a case because PCs are vastly superior. What you have tried saying is false and propaganda.

pro console propaganda?

Now stop BAMing!

[Asher]

Originally posted by lightblue
At the moment I only play MMORPGs (DAoC, Asheron Call 2).Can't play those on consoles so i am not interested in them.

You can't play those games in particular on consoles (I play AC2 too, btw), but games like Star Wars Galaxy and Everquest and some original console-only games are MMORPGs on consoles.

Fez:

Okay, I will give you this. But how much longer until Consoles basically revert back to PC's? They are basically PCs anyways, without the added features and only for games.

Consoles are not PCs, despite their components. Consoles are a fixed hardware platform with components designed around gaming -- that's what defines a game console.

If they ever get to the point where you gotta install your games, download patches to fix crashbugs, swap out the graphics card to get better framerates, etc -- then it's a PC and not a console, and that particular console would fail compared to the competition.

Consoles can kiss my ass, because their games suck. Period. You cannot make a case because PCs are vastly superior. What you have tried saying is false and propaganda.

I really do wonder if you're being serious sometimes, or just deranged...

I will concede one point. Windows is a memory hog and probably slows down performance significantly. That is why I now have a copy of SuSe Linux in my room... should I install it? Linux could make the promise of the vastly superior PC a damn good reality... but will any games run on it? Only if Linux were to, it would seriously leave the console completely out in the cold.

Yeah, Fez, that's it. Linux, which is the complete ANTITHESIS of a game console which lets you tweak everything and anything would leave the console completely out in the cold.

And no, Fez, Linux ain't any faster for gaming for the very few games it has.

[Giancarlo]

If they ever get to the point where you gotta install your games, download patches to fix crashbugs, swap out the graphics card to get better framerates, etc -- then it's a PC and not a console, and that particular console would fail compared to the competition.

Well we will see.

Yeah, Fez, that's it. Linux, which is the complete ANTITHESIS of a game console which lets you tweak everything and anything would leave the console completely out in the cold.

You are pathetic.

And no, Fez, Linux ain't any faster for gaming for the very few games it has.

Well it comes down to the basics, PCs are way faster than consoles for games. Period.

[Asher]

The average PC is certainly not even close to being faster than modern consoles, and most games are designed with the average PC installed.

And even on comparable hardware, a PC is quite a bit slower.

Electronic Arts recently did a benchmark comparison across the Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and the PC: http://www.cs.brown.edu/~tor/sig2002/ea-shader.pdf

The PC is a tad bit outdated, but no slouch:
Athlon 1.4GHz (1800+)
ATI Radeon 8500

               Basketball player                   Bunny 
Platform  Gouraud      Lit          Skinned        Gouraud 
PS2       17.0 / 22.6  10.9 / 14.7   8.5 / 11.5   25.2 / 31.8 
XBox      47.2 / 91.4  22.4 / 43.4  14.2 / 30.3   63.9 / 93.8 
NGC       18.7 / NA    10.3 / NA     7.2 / NA     NA   / NA 
PC        24.1 / 46.1  15.9 / 20.9   5.1 / 10.9   26.3 / 36.2

Those first numbers are in Millions of Polygons per second, the second number is Millions of Vertices per second.

[Boris Godunov]

Your arguments fall on uncomprehending eyes, Asher.

[DanS]

"Consoles as we knew them 5 years ago are dyning. Consoles are turning into computers hooked up to a TV instead of a monitor."

Exactly. Today's TVs are a different breed as well in North America and Asia. Not Europe yet, though.

[Felch]

I like console games because you can jump right in and play. I play the PS2 Baldur's Gate with a friend sometimes, and I play NWN with him at other times. It's just a matter of what mood I'm in, and where I am.

Frankly the controllers for consoles are a lot easier for when you're in a kind of mood.

[GePap]

I have no owned a console since 3 consoles generations ago (a SNES). I find PC's are better at the type of long planning games, ie strategy games (civ, wargames, so forth) that I love. I have played more modern console RPG on PS2 and Genesis ; but I find they spend too much time on incredible graphics than deep engaging story and gampley like older games that ahd to make due with story since thier graphics sucked. I m not very good with my 3 dimensional probem solving, so shooting games and fighting games have never been big fo me, and this is where consoles shine. (my favorite racing game of ll times is S Mario Kart for SNES, found it better than the newer Nintendo versions)

It seems Fez's BAMing has been crushed under the weigth of tremendous evidence.

[Drake Tungsten]

What the hell is BAMing? Is that the PC term for "Fezzing" or what?

[Asher]

Have you seen The Flintstones?

[Drake Tungsten]

Have you seen The Flintstones?

You talking to me?

If so, yes I have seen the Flintstones. Who hasn't?

[Asher]

What does Bambam do?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

Have you seen The Flintstones?

You talking to me?

If so, yes I have seen the Flintstones. Who hasn't?

Remember Bam Bam?

[Boris Godunov]

I didn't think that was the origin anyway. I always thought BAM = Bald-faced Assertion Man