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Originally posted by Asher
Fez, Fez, Fez...leave this for the big boys.
This makes no sense. Console games have outsold PC games by a good margin for at least the past five years. And now, PC games sales are shrinking and console games continue to break new records...
It's all so easy when you ignore what you don't want to see. No, the Xbox does not have a Celeron, the Xbox has a P3 with 128KB of L2 cache. That's not how a Celeron is defined, in fact a Celeron is crippled in numerous ways that the P3's CPU is not.
Then there's the issue of how you can "write to the metal" on the Xbox that you can't on the PC. The Xbox's graphics chip is essentially a GeForce 4 chip at 233MHz. John Carmack says you can expect twice the performance out of a fixed platform like the Xbox than you can out of an equivalent PC. The Xbox doesn't have a 1GB/s AGP bus as a bottleneck.
Because PC architecture is so varied, they can't do much optimization for it for each platform of PC. They can on the Xbox. For example, the PC version of Rallisport Challenge chugs along on a 2600+ Athlon XP system with a GeForce 4 Ti4600 on the PC, and it never dips below 30fps on the Xbox.
Wanna know why I keep saying wrong again? Because you have failed to provide evidence.
Your remarks are beyond all the idiocy of the world put together. You know PCs are way better than the inferior console machine. Stop acting like a fool and accept the facts.
Fez, that is soooooooo lame.
Asher, do you use drugs?For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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I like PC games to console simply because I find it easier to use a mouse and keyboard to control. Its probably just habit, but since there are so many more keys, you can have the functions spread out among different buttons."Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini
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Ever since they split from computers, consoles have always been winning.
If they made a console with original strategy games and a mouse, then the PC has no more interest to me.
I particularly resent the half-finished nature of PC games. At least half the bugs in the average new PC release are due to shoddy playtesting and game balancing, not the varied and complicated innards of the PC.
But PCs do have a large back catalogue of cheap, great games, which is more than can be said for most consoles. Plus, the new releases are cheaper.
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For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Goddamit, Fez, you're doing it AGAIN!!!
STOP BAMING!!
On T:
I think another problem hampering PC sales (I hope, at least) is a growing backlash against the "release now, patch later" mentality in PC game companies. Console games have to release a workable finished product. So many PC games lately have been virtually unplayable out of the box and only got better after several patches. Civ3 is a perfect example, and it looks like Hearts of Iron will be another one.
However, until console games become mod-able, PC games will always have a large audience.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Boris, I can't be bamming. That is physically impossible for somebody of my intelligence to be doing.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Huh? Stupid people are the best at BAMing, so of course you can do it.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)
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Except that you ARE the one doing it. All you said was "Wrong" without saying why or providing a rational argument. You have to argue his points, not dismiss them.
And you are the one who is wrong in terms of PC vs. Console game sales:
"In 2001, 65.3 million PC games were sold, compared to 110 million console games. While PC game sales increased 3.6% from 2000, console game sales increased 9% in the same period."
And here's one from 2000:
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"Console sales are now outstripping PC game sales by 5:1.
It's no surprise that the Console game market vastly out grosses the PC software game sales by a huge margin. Last estimates were at a ratio of something akin to 4 or 5 to 1. Sony was all to glad to give us some disturbing data of the success of console systems, and the Playstation in particular. Taken from their press release, some of these facts are quiet sobering."
And 1999:
"Sales of console video game software were $3.75 billion and accounted for 50.5 percent of the industry's total revenues. Console video game hardware and PC game software split the remaining 30.9 percent and 18.6 percent respectively."
So got any other brilliant responses, besides "wrong?"Tutto nel mondo è burla
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Originally posted by Fez
Really? I doubt that argument. Maybe you should check your facts.
If you want to prove them wrong, cite your own figures showing PC games outselling console games.
"I doubt that argument" doesn't work.
Wow a P3. My Althon XP 1600+ is better than that. Next.
Wrong again. Next.
Wrong again. Next.
Wanna know why I keep saying wrong again? Because you have failed to provide evidence.
This is something I know about -- it's my field. It's something you've proven yourself time and time again to know next to nothing about.
Your remarks are beyond all the idiocy of the world put together. You know PCs are way better than the inferior console machine. Stop acting like a fool and accept the facts.
You seriously act like you're in third grade, Fez."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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