BBC against Blair?

[C0ckney]

that's kinda the point

[red_jon]

Pah. I haven't een getting enough sleep.

So you not gone home yet? I left yesterday.

[C0ckney]

i went home on friday.

yeah sleep depravation is a bugger, i was on the raz for 7 days straight before i came home so i've just been chilling these last two days.

[*End Is Forever*]

Originally posted by Boddington's
Scrap the NHS and have a private system.

If you look at the average amount the NHS spends on someone and compare that to equivalent spent in the US, the American gets far better treatment.

Nonsense. US Healthcare is shockingly inefficient... they pay considerably more in terms of %GDP for a system that is no better, and that excludes a significant minority completely.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by *End Is Forever*


Nonsense. US Healthcare is shockingly inefficient... they pay considerably more in terms of %GDP for a system that is no better, and that excludes a significant minority completely.

The US systems is far better if you are on average or above income, if you are a low earner its crap compared to the UK

[Asher]

Originally posted by red_jon
- Against legalising cannabis
- Pro-harsher punishments on youth offenders
- Against non-married couples adopting
- Pro section 28 and other anti-homosexual policies

Not to ruin your party, but all of the above are not "right wing" policies, but rather authoritarian policies.

The only true "right wing" policy you listed is this:

- Wish to lower taxes/ against raising taxes

People should really learn that religious conservatives are not synonymous with right wingers, they're just authoritarian right wingers...

I realize it makes people's lives easier if you brand right wingers all under the same scope of evil bastards, but it's a gross simplification and very wrong.

I consider myself right wing, for example, and I'm all for legalization of marijuana, non-married couples adopting, gay marriage, etc.

True right wingers are more of a "government should mind its own business and do what's best for the people".

I'm all for low taxes and low government overhead, but I'm also all for public education, the option of public healthcare, and social welfare programs.

Remember, right wing is not bad, but religious conservatives are very bad.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Asher

Not to ruin your party, but all of the above are not "right wing" policies, but rather authoritarian policies.

The only true "right wing" policy you listed is this:


People should really learn that religious conservatives are not synonymous with right wingers, they're just authoritarian right wingers...

I was emphasising that the Conservatives are right-authoritarian. Because left-right is based solely on economics, it's most probably impossible to name 5 right-wing policies in the UK at all.

I realize it makes people's lives easier if you brand right wingers all under the same scope of evil bastards, but it's a gross simplification and very wrong.

I consider myself right wing, for example, and I'm all for legalization of marijuana, non-married couples adopting, gay marriage, etc.

True right wingers are more of a "government should mind its own business and do what's best for the people".

I'm all for low taxes and low government overhead, but I'm also all for public education, the option of public healthcare, and social welfare programs.

Remember, right wing is not bad, but religious conservatives are very bad.

Yes, Asher the only reason you're a wierd right-liberal is because you're a rich bisexual

[Seneca]

True right wingers are more of a "government should mind its own business and do what's best for the people"

Whilst a left-winger would regard that as a contradiction in terms.

[Solly]

"I was emphasising that the Conservatives are right-authoritarian. Because left-right is based solely on economics, it's most probably impossible to name 5 right-wing policies in the UK at all."

Pro-lower taxes
Pro-private health care
Pro-car/anti-public transport subsidies
Pro-longer Sunday shopping hours
Pro-longer pub opening times

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Boddington's
"I was emphasising that the Conservatives are right-authoritarian. Because left-right is based solely on economics, it's most probably impossible to name 5 right-wing policies in the UK at all."

Pro-lower taxes
Pro-private health care
Pro-car/anti-public transport subsidies
Pro-longer Sunday shopping hours
Pro-longer pub opening times

How is being pro-longer pub opening times right-wing?

I'm not denying Tony Blair is right-wing, but the Tories are as well. And aren't the Tories for the rest of those policies anyway?

[Solly]

Blair is centre-left. Tories are centrist, moving towards the left in the vain hope of trying to catch some of the already voting. What they don't realise is that it is those who aren't regularly voting that would vote for them if they got their act together.

"How is being pro-longer pub opening times right-wing?"

More economic (and social) freedom, whereas left-wingers think they know how everyone should be living their lives.

[red_jon]

Umm, I do hope you realise that being left or right-wing has absolutely nothing to with with social freedom, it's only about economics.

Social freedom is about being authoritarian or libertarian. The Tories are authoritarian and I think you'd have to be a complete imbecile to announce them left-wing.

[Solly]

Well, they aren't for scrapping the NHS, and that is a socialist policy.

[red_jon]

They're for greater privatisation of it. That's a right-wing policy.

Besides, all they seem to do nowadays is say the opposite of what Labour does.

[Solly]

I agree; that's why I won't vote Tory! BTW, I would be more accurate than saying they do the opposite of what Labour does. They form their policy around Daily Mail's editoials.

Labour are a better right-wing party than the Tories are.