Greedy, selfish NYC transit workers threaten strike

[David Floyd]

Cali, striking should never be illegal. It should be a person's prerogative to not to work, just as it should be a company's prerogative to ****can them for choosing not to work.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Caligastia
You obviously havent bothered to look at the link Chris provided...

What people think!!? This is the same public that can place the US on a map! I don't give a damn about people's opinion (which are built on incomplete data, personal ideologies, and the media), give me a link to some study done by some independent group on the efficiency of the MTA showing us where the waste comes from. Otherwise don't presume to know where the waste lies.

[Caligastia]

When they have 8 weeks vacation already, I doubt the prospect of more would tempt them very much.

[David Floyd]

No, but the threat of losing their job, in today's job market, along with a possible small added incentive - nothing big, just a little something - would be enough to convince enough people to stay, and they could run the place long enough for more workers to be hired and trained to replace all those who were fired due to their own idiocy.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Cali, striking should never be illegal. It should be a person's prerogative to not to work, just as it should be a company's prerogative to ****can them for choosing not to work.

Isn't this the case already? Nobody is forcing anyone at gunpoint to show up for work.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by David Floyd
No, but the threat of losing their job, in today's job market, along with a possible small added incentive - nothing big, just a little something - would be enough to convince enough people to stay, and they could run the place long enough for more workers to be hired and trained to replace all those who were fired due to their own idiocy.

Possibly, but it's a threat they probably couldn't make good on. They would need to have workers to replace the ones fired ready to go.

[gsmoove23]

I have come to the conclusion people are just trying to annoy me by not offering sources. Fine I'll sift through the news myself.

DF, these are all tactics that could be used in the ugly business of negotiation. Shutting down a city, firing workers, incentives to those who stay. They all have a cost, the onus is on the unions and management to come to a resolution before these actions are necessary, not the unions themselves.

[gsmoove23]

Bloomberg is being a little overblown on the whole thing though. Major cities outside the US frequently have transit strikes and the world doesn't end.

[David Floyd]

Possibly, but it's a threat they probably couldn't make good on. They would need to have workers to replace the ones fired ready to go.

Then let them strike, randomly fire, say, 5% of the strikers, and tell everyone else to either come back by tomorrow or they're all fired too.

gsmoove,

DF, these are all tactics that could be used in the ugly business of negotiation. Shutting down a city, firing workers, incentives to those who stay. They all have a cost, the onus is on the unions and management to come to a resolution before these actions are necessary, not the unions themselves.

Negotiation is fine, but the position of the city should simply be this: "You're level of output and difficulty of your job does not justify a large, or really even any, raise. Sorry. Work harder and better next year, and depending on the economy, we'll see. For now, though, you get nothing. If you strike, you will be shutting down a major city and probably contributing to the death and injury of innocent people. Further, you will all be fired. Now, if the union decides to strike, you don't have to strike along with them. Remember, if you get fired, which you will be, it won't be easy to find another job. But if you don't strike, and tell the union to shove it, we'll reward you with a larger Christmas bonus. Which is in the best interest of you and your family - no job, no Christmas bonus, and no job prospect, or a good, well paying job, with job security, and a large Christmas bonus?"

Any reasonable person would tell the union to **** off. Of course, maybe I'm asking to much in expected people to be reasonable.

[Caligastia]

Here is a source for you gsmoove - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,72651,00.html

[DinoDoc]

People don't like Fox News. I already posted that anyway.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Then let them strike, randomly fire, say, 5% of the strikers, and tell everyone else to either come back by tomorrow or they're all fired too.

I'm not sure if they could actually do that or not. If they could it would probably work.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
People don't like Fox News. I already posted that anyway.

Well they might just have to take it. I can't find any other source.

[David Floyd]

Cali, why couldn't they?

It might be illegal, I have no idea what the law is, but I think we can both agree that it SHOULDN'T be illegal.

[gsmoove23]

DF, you seem to be under the illusion that all transit workers are easy to replace, but there are many highly trained individuals within the organization. Furthermore, the scare tactics you suggest might work if the strike organization wasn't strong, because if it was the rest of the union would undoubtedly say **** off to the management knowing full well that the management couldn't follow through on the bluff. As for the quality of their work they would quickly prove their worth through their inaction which would result in the city hemmorhaging(?) money from all orifices.