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  • #31
    Originally posted by Chris 62
    I feel the same way.

    How the hell are you going to get in the city?

    Is that tram part of the MTA?
    Yes, its run by the MTA, but as you know, its tokens only. I don't know if it will be affected by the strike or not. Even if it isn't affected it would take me at least an hour to walk downtown.

    Also, I have my finals next week. If the strike goes ahead, they will be postponed till January.
    ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
    ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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    • #32
      Originally posted by DinoDoc


      After three years on the job, a person driving a bus in New York City or cleaning a subway car makes about $50,000 a year base pay. That person gets -- ready? -- eight weeks off a year. Eight weeks, with full pay.

      In addition, the worker only has to do one specific task each day, like clean two subway cars or something like that. After he or she is finished, they don't have anything else to do. So more workers have to be hired.
      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,72651,00.html

      Could someone please tell me if this is true or just crap I heard flipping past Fox News?
      I have heard this from other sources, so I would say its probably true. It makes me sick that they still want more and are prepared to strike for it.
      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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      • #33
        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
        Ned, public workers have just as much right to strike against their employers as private workers. A boss is a boss, and the fact that you are a government body shouldn't exempt you from dealing fairly with your employees and prevent them from striking when you don't. The public has no right to expect its servents to work as slaves.
        Che, your really over the top with the "working man" rhetoric.

        NYC is in a budget crisis, Bloomy is talking about cutting police, fire, and other essential services.

        NY spends close to two billion annually on the homeless problem, and that will be cut severly if you give in to this strike.

        This city isn't a bottomless money pit, what would YOU do, cut aid to the homeless so that a worker making $40,000 can make $50,000?

        That is what the situation is here.

        Cal, that's rough.
        There is a private bus I can take to wall street, but it costs $3.50 each way, and I'll bet the traffic will be horrible.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Caligastia


          I have heard this from other sources, so I would say its probably true. It makes me sick that they still want more and are prepared to strike for it.


          Name me anyone who doesn't expect, as they spend more time on a job, that their pay will not increase.

          The blanket generalizations about MTA workers as lazy do-nothings is what makes me really sick here. And I doubt any of you know a single one or what they really do.

          I don't think they will strike, and I certainly hope they don't. But to use that as leverage for negotiations is standard. It would be a PR disaster for them to strike, but the union leadership AND the city seem intent on painting themselves into a corner.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Boris Godunov
            The blanket generalizations about MTA workers as lazy do-nothings is what makes me really sick here. And I doubt any of you know a single one or what they really do.
            Do you? How close to reality is the picture I heard on TV?
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Boris Godunov




              Name me anyone who doesn't expect, as they spend more time on a job, that their pay will not increase.
              Why should their pay increase when their job performance is poor, and they are overpaid already!? They get 8 weeks vacation for ****s sake!!

              The blanket generalizations about MTA workers as lazy do-nothings is what makes me really sick here. And I doubt any of you know a single one or what they really do.
              Do you?

              In any case, the NYC subway system is poorly run. There is no such thing as customer service, the trains are always packed, organisation is almost non-existent. Go to Paris or London if you want to see a real mass transit system.
              ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
              ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Boris Godunov
                Name me anyone who doesn't expect, as they spend more time on a job, that their pay will not increase.
                In a recession, when the economy is terrible?
                Most are worried about staying employed, let alone raises.

                The blanket generalizations about MTA workers as lazy do-nothings is what makes me really sick here. And I doubt any of you know a single one or what they really do.
                Wrong again Dear Boris, in fact I know I guy that's worked for the MTA for 11 years, he is fond of talking about being home at 4 when his shift ends, because they all cover for each other, and they have their work done by 11 (He's in track matenence).
                Tell me, how many times have you missed a train due to a slow subway clerk? (in the days before Metro cards)
                You might be the first NYer I ever saw defend the MTA.
                Even it's own workers consider it a joke.

                I don't think they will strike, and I certainly hope they don't. But to use that as leverage for negotiations is standard. It would be a PR disaster for them to strike, but the union leadership AND the city seem intent on painting themselves into a corner.
                We will see how it goes, but it looks bad.
                I believe Saddam because his position is backed up by logic and reason...David Floyd
                i'm an ignorant greek...MarkG

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                • #38
                  I don't understand why the nannystate should forbid them to strike. Why isn't it just an employer/employees issue ?
                  “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by DinoDoc
                    Do you? How close to reality is the picture I heard on TV?
                    A woman I work with husband's is a subway worker. He is a hard and responsible worker.

                    Think of the source for the picture you have on TV. They will find the most extreme examples they can. It's Fox, for christ's sake. Painting all of them with the same brush is absurd.

                    Now if the law forbids them to strike, so be it--I can't really say I condone them violating the law, especially at this time of year and under the current circumstances. But I don't object to them making tough talk to get a better deal from the city. If the city caved into 24%, I'd be equally as upset, though. Like I said...n-e-g-o-t-i-a-t-e.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc
                      How close to reality is the picture I heard on TV?
                      In my opinion, its pretty close. Almost every transit worker I have encountered is surly, rude, and generally unhelpful.
                      ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                      ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Boris Godunov


                        A woman I work with husband's is a subway worker. He is a hard and responsible worker.
                        Good for him, he is a rare breed.
                        ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                        ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Chris 62
                          You might be the first NYer I ever saw defend the MTA.
                          It's not so suprising considering he walks to work...
                          ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                          ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                          • #43
                            The economy of the entire region is dependent upon NYC. Why should the city have to shoulder the burden alone? NY state, as well as New Jersey and Connecticutt should also be picthing in. If NYC goes, so do they.

                            I never get "down-state's" (or up-state in this case) hostility towards their primary economic engine. They hate the big cities that are responsibly for making them wealthy. Same BS in Illinois, Florida, California. Hell, the Feds outta be kicking in more. If NYC goes, so goes the nation. It's like the driver who curses his car engine when it's not running well but refuses to get it fixed.

                            BTW, Chicago transit workers make more than NYC transit workers.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Caligastia
                              Why should their pay increase when their job performance is poor, and they are overpaid already!? They get 8 weeks vacation for ****s sake!!
                              I'd like to see official verification of the 8 weeks vacation thing. Certainly I don't think that's true for most of them.

                              And again, "overpaid" is your opinion...they would obviously think otherwise. I think Jack Welch was overpaid...

                              In any case, the NYC subway system is poorly run. There is no such thing as customer service, the trains are always packed, organisation is almost non-existent. Go to Paris or London if you want to see a real mass transit system.
                              Organization problems are largely the fault of the MTA management, not the workers. You can't blame a secretary for a CEO not doing his job right. The city management has responsibility here, too.

                              And Paris and London don't have nearly the logistical nightmare and amount of traffic the NY subways see every day. Considering the design of the tracks, their age, etc., the fact that they do move 8 million people in and out of this city every day is a small feat, and they do do it reasonably effectively. Certainly far more effectively than most large cities.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Caligastia


                                Good for him, he is a rare breed.
                                More unfounded generalizations.

                                ANd I don't walk to work, I take the subway every day. I could walk, but in this weather it would be rather cooooold.
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