Senate Majority Leader: I wish the segregationist had won!

[uh Clem]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Your argument is as Illogical as it's unconstitutional.

You shouldn't have bothered clipping the part of my post where i said it's most likely he meant that only to post the exact same thing as "rebuttal".

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??????? Auf englisch, bitte. Where on earth did I quote you?

And I'm sorry to see that my argument has been struck down as unconstitutional. I plan to appeal.

[Sava]

I just hope that this whole situation will act as a wakeup call to the moderate Republicans out there. Finally, some people will see the Republican party for what it is... a collection of racists, self-righteous religious fanatics, and corporate cronies. I just wonder how many Republican voters fall under each of these categories. I think that the majority of Republicans are probably rational people who fall victim to the rhetoric and propaganda.

I also don't understand how this business with Clinton is even comparable to this situation. Personally, I think the fact that somebody is a racist is a more important issue than the sexual mistakes of another person. But then again, there are too many people that still believe that the impeachment crap was justified. And while the FBI and Ken Starr were busy wasting tax-payer money investigating whether or not Monica slobbed on the prez's knob, Osama and his crew were plotting the 9-11 attacks. Once again, the right is wrong.

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by DinoDoc

that she had that damned stained dress

Has anyone ever figured out why she kept the thing?

Linda Tripp told her to keep it as she might need it later. There isn't much a semen-stained dress is good for. It smells, more than a little, of entrapment.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Opposed creation of MLK day-said there were people more deserving (who is more deserving than MLK???)

Well, for one, FDR.

It wasn't exactly a unianimously supported bill to have an MLK day. Arizona, for example, still does not recognize MLK day, and I don't think John McCain is a rascist for not speaking out about it.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Opposed creation of MLK day-said there were people more deserving (who is more deserving than MLK???)

Well, for one, FDR.

Somehow i doubt Lott was refering to FDR when he said that...regardless its a debatable point, i wonder who he meant by that, out of curiosity.

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
It wasn't exactly a unianimously supported bill to have an MLK day. Arizona, for example, still does not recognize MLK day, and I don't think John McCain is a rascist for not speaking out about it.

I didn't call Lott a racist for not supporting MLK day. I was just putting the information out there, for others to draw their own conclusions.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Opposed creation of MLK day-said there were people more deserving (who is more deserving than MLK???)

Well, for one, FDR.

It wasn't exactly a unianimously supported bill to have an MLK day. Arizona, for example, still does not recognize MLK day, and I don't think John McCain is a rascist for not speaking out about it.

AFAIK, McCain hasn't actively campaigned AGAINST MLK day, however. Big difference.

[Imran Siddiqui]

AFAIK, McCain hasn't actively campaigned AGAINST MLK day, however.

But how many Arizona politicians have? It must be substantial, and I've not heard of any crisis of rascism in that state.

[Boris Godunov]

MtG--we could go on a while about the bombs. I have in a couple of other threads. I don't have the energy to rehash, but Eisenhower is quoted as saying the bomb should never had been used, it was unneccessary, the Japanese would have surrendered anyway. He is joined in those sentiments by a host of other top military brass of the period, including the head of the joint chiefs. But, as I said, Off topic.

[Boris Godunov]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,399310,00.html

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
Opposed creation of MLK day-said there were people more deserving (who is more deserving than MLK???)

What is particularly wrong with oppossing the creation of another holiday?

Actually stated about the integration of Ole Miss "Yes, you could say that I favored segregation then"
Tried to keep his fraternity segregated

1) You and I both know that record hardly makes him a standout from the rest of the people living in Oxford at the time.

2) I don't think that he really had to try hard to keep his frat all white given the type composition of the Greek houses we have to this day.

campaigned for Jefferson Davis's citizenship

Given that Robert E. Lee's citizenship was restored during the Ford administration, the precedent is already there for Davis.

In conclusion, is Lott a jackass? Probably. Is he a racist? Doubtful.

[Boris Godunov]

DD, read the above link. Doubtful?

[Sava]

Oh please, DD... stop being a Lott apologist... its obvious that he's a racist. His past and present statements and actions support that assertion.

You're backing the wrong horse, Johnny!

[David Floyd]

The war crime would have been not dropping the bombs.

Sorry, this is blatantly false. The war crime WAS in not only dropping the atomic bombs, but firebombing and indiscriminately bombing German and Japanese cities. Targetting civilians, which was done on many occasions, is ALWAYS wrong.

Whether or not the Japanese would have surrendered is irrelevant. Whether or not they would have forced their civilians to commit suicide is irrelevant. We are responsible for our own actions, and no one else's. If Japan behaved immorally, we can't control that, but we can damn well control our own actions.

Further, it is also irrelevant if we would have invaded Japan (which was scheduled in Operations Olympic and Coronet). First of all, that would have been our choice, we by no means had to. Second of all, I would rather see US soldiers die in combat than see the US intentionally kill innocent civilians. Finally, an invasion of Japan would have been morally equivalent to murder, anyway, in that the US would have been forcing conscripts to their death, but that's the same as any war.

Point being, the atomic and firebombings were wrong, no questions asked.

Now you're sounding like Floyd. Somebody has a right to resist arrest and kill cops because they're wrongfully being arrested, since they're innocent until proven guilty, but that can't happen until after they're arrested, but they have the right to resist arrest yadda yadda blah blah blah.

Actually one should resist arrest if they know they are innocent, and have a reasonable expectation of the cops either planting evidence on them or finding some other dubious method of gaining conviction, or have a reasonable expectation that the cops will physically harm them once in custody, or if they have the reasonable expectation of being physically harmed in jail.

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
What is particularly wrong with oppossing the creation of another holiday?

nothing per se, but when you say that others are more deserving of the honor, it makes me question his thought process on the issue. If he had only discussed how it would hurt efficiency or the economy, that would be fine. But he starts to compare MLK to other people, I question his motives.

Originally posted by DinoDoc

Actually stated about the integration of Ole Miss "Yes, you could say that I favored segregation then"
Tried to keep his fraternity segregated

1) You and I both know that record hardly makes him a standout from the rest of the people living in Oxford at the time.

Well, that's certainly true, however, not many people from Oxford are in a position of power such as Lott currently enjoys.

Originally posted by DinoDoc
2) I don't think that he really had to try hard to keep his frat all white given the type composition of the Greek houses we have to this day.

If you Boris' link, you will see that while his chapter was unified, he was arguing against integration on the national level. It was a heated debate apparently.

Originally posted by DinoDoc

campaigned for Jefferson Davis's citizenship

Given that Robert E. Lee's citizenship was restored during the Ford administration, the precedent is already there for Davis.

I'm not a historian, so it would be wrong for me to comment here, on the differences between the two.

Originally posted by DinoDoc
In conclusion, is Lott a jackass? Probably. Is he a racist? Doubtful.

Again, I never called him a racist, I was just putting out evidence for others to make their own minds up. I just think he is a guy who can't come up with a new joke after 22 years.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Caligastia


So only Victorian matrons would consider cheating on your wife with an intern disgraceful? You have a strange set of morals.

It is our business because we are paying him to be president, not get bjs. He has a right to privacy, but not on public property.

At Mare Island back in 90 or so a guy in my Shop was having sex with a temp woman employee in his van during lunch hour (a non-paid time). When the Shipyard found out the woman was fired that day (she was temp employee). They took the man security badge away and sent him to Work Center 29 pending outcome of his charges. The recommendation was termination. I don't remember if he was fired or not.
What Lott said was very stupid at best, however he did not lied to a Federal Grand Jury and then get a pass because he was President.
Any one on this board tell a lied to FGJury and you will be doing time. 5 to 7 years of time.
But since he did say it, he should step down as leader.

Improper sexual conduct on public property is everyone's business.


Sorry, it's not his private life when it's on public property.

If you work for the Goverment you will be fired for conduct unbecoming of a Federal Employee as lay out in the Code of Conduct for Federal Employees. This Code reads just like the UCMJ for the Military.
Remember the General who was going to be the Chairman of the Joint Chief until they found out he was having sex with another ladie while he was still married even tho his wife and him were seprated pending a divorce.