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**JohnT** · December 15, 2002, 04:00

My God, how could I have ever forgotten the legendary exploits of Davey O'Brien?

**Ming** · December 15, 2002, 16:51

Anybody watch the Junction Boys last night. It was pretty darn good. What a brutal way to train

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 15, 2002, 16:53

These days we don't like to see our players die of heat exhaustion

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**Ming** · December 15, 2002, 16:57

Yep... that would NEVER happen in these modern days of enlightenment

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 15, 2002, 20:33

BASEBALL TRADE

After all the talk, the trigger was pulled on a big, 4 team deal:

Oakland gets: Erubiel Durazo (from Ariz)
Arizona gets: Elmer Dessens (from Cincy)
Cincinnati gets: Felipe Lopez (from Toronto)
Toronto gets: a player to be named later from Oakland. (player is frozen on minor league roster)

First glance: OAKLAND GETS ANOTHER STEAL! Durazo is a great 1B, and he will do amazing in that lineup, and all they gave up is a player to be named later!

**H Tower** · December 15, 2002, 20:47

how much work has to go into a 4 team deal? sounds really, really complicated

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 15, 2002, 22:59

METS GET RID OF ORDONEZ:

ESPN.com: MLB - Mets shed payroll, Ordonez by dealing him to Rays

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1215/1477403.html

The New York Mets took another step in reducing their payroll and shedding one of their problem players, trading Rey Ordonez to the Tampa Bay Devil Rays on Sunday for two players to be named.

They have to pay a substantial part, but get some players back (Russ Johnson isn't that bad of a backup), and clears room for super-prospect Jose Reyes next year. And Desi Relaford is a better hitter than Ordonez anyway (hard not to be

).

H Tower: Oh yeah... that's gotta be very hard.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 15, 2002, 23:02

Oh, and I forgot:

ALFONSO SIGNS WITH GIANTS

ESPN.com: MLB - Alfonzo, Giants agree on four-year, $26 million deal

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1215/1477445.html

Edgardo Alfonzo and the San Francisco Giants agreed Sunday on a $26 million, four-year contract, The Associated Press learned.

A logjam at 2nd if the Giants resign Kent. They have Durham, Alfonso, and Kent then. In that situation, Alfonso replaces David Bell (who signed with Philly) at 3rd, Kent is at 2nd, and Durham says he'll play CF.

**Ming** · December 16, 2002, 00:52

I'm just waiting to see if the Cubs can sign Pudge

We've already made our "blockbuster" deal...

**Drake Tungsten** · December 16, 2002, 00:54

I wonder who's going to get Vlad Guerrero from the Expos.

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 16, 2002, 00:58

I don't think Vlad is going to be traded... at least this offseason. They NEED to have a star so that any prospective buyers (who will move the team) have a reason to bid on the team.

**Drake Tungsten** · December 16, 2002, 01:00

I thought that the Expos were trying to get rid of him and his salary. That's what I heard at any rate, but I haven't been following the news as closely as I usually do. Damn finals.

**Ming** · December 16, 2002, 01:17

Vlad will stay... but one of the two aces will be gone. It's just a matter of which one

**Imran Siddiqui** · December 17, 2002, 06:16

Great week of football and after realizing that Baltimore is 7-7 and COULD STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, Brian Billick is my coach of the year! That team has the talent of the Detroit Lions and they could make the playoffs! WOW!

**Dis** · December 17, 2002, 06:21

They have more talent than that.

They have a running back who is better than James Stewart. They have a good tight end in Todd Heap. And they still have a good defense.

All things detroit doesn't have

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