American Sports Discussion (ie, Apolyton US Sports Bar)

[SlowwHand]

You misunderstand. I said and meant both ways.
The Ranger's are the worst money managers I've seen.
They are the worst evaluators of talent in young pitching.
And they really made me when they got rid of Palimeiro, and got The Idiot aka Will Clark to play 1st a while.
They have a payroll last year 2nd only to the Yankess, and get nothing in wins.

[Drake Tungsten]

New Topic:

Why the hell is the Heisman trophy presentation ceremony so long? Do we really need an hour of human-interest bull**** before we get to the winner? Just give out the damn trophy!

I'm dying to know which player is doomed to having no career in the NFL.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
I'm dying to know which player is doomed to having no career in the NFL.

Isn't that the truth...

But to answer your question... ADVERTISING REVENUE

[Drake Tungsten]

It was a rhetorical question, Ming.

[Ming]

Carson Palmer... let the fun begin

[Drake Tungsten]

Carson Palmer wins? What horse****...

[Ming]

So much for the east coast media bias

[Drake Tungsten]

I can't believe Dorsey finished fifth. The man gets no respect.

Not that I would've voted for him.

[Ming]

Well... maybe now Dorsey will have a NFL career

[Drake Tungsten]

Originally posted by Ming
Well... maybe now Dorsey will have a NFL career

Very true. Dorsey's a smart guy, so maybe this was his plan all along. Let McGahee do all the work, avoid the Heisman curse and succeed in the pros. It's genius!

[Ming]

You know... a plausable theory

[H Tower]

wasn't much of a suprise, Palmer had the whole west, and the two from miami split the south east region, larry johnson took the north east, and banks got the midwest. palmer was just able to steal enough votes from around the rest of the country and since he had no competition on the coast... that's all she wrote

[reismark]

Originally posted by H Tower
wasn't much of a suprise, Palmer had the whole west, and the two from miami split the south east region, larry johnson took the north east, and banks got the midwest. palmer was just able to steal enough votes from around the rest of the country and since he had no competition on the coast... that's all she wrote

Actually, H, Palmer won every voting region except Banks' Midwest, and won by a large margin, which says a lot...

[JohnT]

Congratulations Carson. May you be frugal with that first, big contract cause it will likely be your last, if the following list is any indication:

2001 Eric Crouch Nebraska
2000 Chris Weinke Florida State
1996 Danny Wuerffel Florida
1993 Charlie Ward Florida State
1992 Gino Torretta Miami
1990 Ty Detmer Brigham Young
1989 Andre Ware Houston
1986 Vinny Testaverde Miami
1984 Doug Flutie Boston College
1971 Pat Sullivan Auburn
1970 Jim Plunkett Stanford
1967 Gary Beban UCLA
1966 Steve Spurrier Florida
1964 John Huarte Notre Dame
1963 Roger Staubach Navy
1962 Terry Baker Oregon State
1956 Paul Hornung Notre Dame
1947 John Lujack Notre Dame
1944 Les Horvath Ohio State (Quarterback and halfback)
1943 Angelo Bertelli Notre Dame
1938 Davey O'Brien Texas Christian

I'm not too sure if ANY of the quarterbacks has had a long-term successful career in the NFL, with the exception of Staubach. Andre Ware was drafted by the Detroit Lions a year or two after they drafted Barry Sanders, and with two Heisman winners you would've thought that the team would've gone next level in a year or three... well, I did, anyway.

Plunkett had a pretty good career - 2 Super Bowl rings, and one Super Bowl MVP. Not too bad. But I think he had a really rough start, and 1981 was a comeback year of sorts.

I remember when the Heisman announcement was first broadcast - I think that it was announced at like 5:50pm one Saturday, and CBS just did a live cut-in to the announcement. Then it was a half-hour presentation, then it was a half-hour presentation that started at 7:00pm and so on until today, where we had a TV show that ran on for so long that I actually forgot it was on!

[Imran Siddiqui]

and the two from miami split the south east region

The two Miami players didn't even get Palmer's total.

I think Palmer will have a VERY good career. He has great mechanics, he is 6'6'' (can see over that line ). At worst he'll be like an Archie Manning, a great QB on a bad team.

I'm not too sure if ANY of the quarterbacks has had a long-term successful career in the NFL, with the exception of Staubach.

What about Davey O'Brien?