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  • #61
    Originally posted by DanS
    I hardly think the situation of the Palestinians is entirely, or perhaps even mostly, of their own doing.
    It's not. It's the fault of the palestinian leadership (ie, the Palestinian Authority, Hamas, etc)

    Further, lower population growth wouldn't help them better their lot in life.
    True, not in itself, but it may make it easier to make it easier if there are more adults than children.

    This does present quite an interesting choice to Israel, however.
    What choice would that be?
    "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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    • #62
      To give up territorial ambitions to the West Bank or not.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #63
        Originally posted by DanS
        To give up territorial aspirations to the West Bank or not.
        The majority of Israeli's are for a Palestinian state. Heck, even a majority of Likud is for a Palestinian state. What they don't want is a Palestinian state that supports terrorism. And frankly, I think thats reasonable, don't you?
        "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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        • #64
          This is what much of the Israeli electorate is for...

          http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1037872589491&p=1012571727092


          I.e., not a real state, and therefore no basis for negotiations.

          "The prime minister said the state he proposed would be completely demilitarised. "Israel will continue to control all entries and exits to the Palestinian state, will command its air space, and not allow it to form alliances with Israel's enemies."

          "He also indicated that the proposed state would include little over 40 per cent of the West Bank, although he guaranteed there would be contiguity between areas of Palestinian control."

          Simple math will tell you that 60% of the West Bank is Israel's territorial ambition.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #65
            Originally posted by DanS
            This is what much of the Israeli electorate is for...

            http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1037872589491&p=1012571727092


            I.e., not a real state, and therefore no basis for negotiations.
            I am glad to see that for once you quoted a half decent publication instead of that deplorable Washington Post.

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            • #66
              Shoot, the FT is the only half-decent publication the Brits put out.

              Something has to make up for the Guardian.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #67
                Shoot, the FT is the only half-decent publication the Brits put out.


                You don't like The Economist?
                KH FOR OWNER!
                ASHER FOR CEO!!
                GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                • #68
                  DanS,
                  I see you have become a master of editing your posts

                  Replace Guardian with Daily Telegraph and your politicoeconomic roots won't be showing so much.

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                  • #69
                    Drake: Nope. Major issues with that rag.

                    Paiktis: Priorities. Priorities.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      Nope. Major issues with that rag.
                      Such as?

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                      • #71
                        Simple math will tell you that 60% of the West Bank is Israel's territorial ambition.
                        Then maybe the Palestinian leadership should have considered agreeing to, or at least offering a counter proposal to Clintons offer of 97% of the territories and a land swap for the other 3% that Barak had agreed to?

                        Personally, I think the end result will probably be closer to Baraks offer anyway (assuming the Palestinian leaders can stop the terrorism). Sharon could easily be playing hardball to get the Palestinians to be more agreeable (ie, playing politics).
                        "I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie Allen

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                        • #72
                          DanS, it's very silly to project the views of a prime minister, who doesn't even reflect the views of his party, to the whole nation.

                          Surveys done in Israel continually show that around 80% believe that a palestinian state will eventually be set up, and around 50% are willing for it to be more or less in the 1967 borders.

                          People don't vote for Sharon to make the peace deal. They vote for him to fight a war against terror. When there will be a time for peace, the Israeli public will vote for a Labour candidate. Just like it happenned in 1999.


                          Further, even though higher growthrate promotes growth, it depends on whether a country can grow.

                          It's not a secret that super high birthrates all keep third world countries in poverty.

                          Unless you suggest that 10 year olds will be part of the labour market, I don't really understand how you can see the Palestinian birthrate presents "opportunities". Throwing around buzz words doesn't make the sh*t the pals are sinking in any shallower.

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                          • #73
                            Paiktis: Our paths got crossed in a post-edit-post. I've got problems with the Telegraph, but lesser ones.

                            Edan: What does that have to do with Sharon's offer of a mere 40% of the West Bank and the creation of a non-state state? Truly, you confuse me.
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #74
                              Hell, even though Likkud accepted a resolution which says that a Palestinian state shouldn't be allowed to form, inner surveys show that 80% of Likkud members think that such a state will form.



                              Azazel - me and my gf are doing just fine taking it our pace, thanks.

                              If you want, you can meet up with Mark, and talk to him about the possibilities of two men having kids.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DanS
                                Paiktis: Our paths got crossed in a post-edit-post. I've got problems with the Telegraph, but lesser ones.
                                Never say that in public Comparing the Telegraph with The Economist...

                                You might as well start buying The Sun.

                                I hear there's always a fine piece of journalism on the 3rd page. Of the same quality as the Daily Telegraph.

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