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What do "free" markets have to do with Europe? 
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I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891 -
Population growth yes. A birth every 30 minutes, probably not given the scarce water resources in the region already.Originally posted by DanS
Population growth generally leads to economic growth, considering that population growth leads to labor growth.
There is a point at which a high population growth becomes a heavy burden upon the country which is why China has such a draconian policy in this area. I would agrue that the Palestinian rate of growth is unsustainable and doesn't represent an asset as Zorba asserts.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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DanS,
Up to a certain level they are quite present here.
(nice come back, but I did serve you a nice pass, or whatever you call it in baseball)Comment
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There is no such thing as "unsustainable". Economics isn't a zero sum game.
Paiktis: Palestine (Judea and Sumeria
) doesn't have free markets either, of course. 
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Well according to you neither does Europe.
At least 21th century Palestine has the high birth rates
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That's right! Let's all move to Palestine!
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Poor choice of words. "Drag on the economy" would have been better and more accurate.Originally posted by DanS
There is no such thing as "unsustainable".I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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The problem is that the increase in population is causing the average age to drop. If the average age is now 14, it'll be 10 in a decade or two at the rate it's going (of course, most likely something will stop it from maintaining it's current rate).Originally posted by DanS
Dino: Paiktis is right, more or less, as much as it pains me to say it.
Population growth generally leads to economic growth, considering that population growth leads to labor growth. The basic output equation has two components: labor and capital. An increase in the labor input will lead to more economic growth.
At a rough guess estimate: if the population of Palestinians is 3 million now, with 1.5 million under 14, you will have a population of 6 million in 10 years with 3 million under the age of 10 and 1.5 million between 10 and 24. How can a society develop when only a quater of it's population is above 24? How will they be able to take care of a rapidly growing population's needs in a fairly small area of gaza and the west bank with it's limited resources?"I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Edan: Your "problems" could be just as easily framed as "opportunities" and "challenges". I don't buy into this Israeli view that this a problem.
Dino: "Drag on the economy" isn't very precise, but it will have to do in a pinch. Sure, they might have to pay more for water and food, but in a working economy, this shouldn't be too difficult to overcome. At the same time, the large benefits of a greater number of workers is very real.
China's population policies are not only immoral but also unenlightened.Last edited by DanS; December 5, 2002, 21:51.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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It IS relevant to point out the "Irish financial miracle" of the 90's at this point. And their low average age.
Also, as much as it pains me this time, their right wing liberal economic policies.Comment
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Still social democratic Greece is not so far behind Ireland in rampant economic growth in the 90's. Actually it's second after it in the EU. And while our average age is much higher than that of Ireland's our plethora of new coming immigrants certaintly is not.Comment
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Samaria, not Sumeria.Originally posted by DanS
There is no such thing as "unsustainable". Economics isn't a zero sum game.
Paiktis: Palestine (Judea and Sumeria ) doesn't have free markets either, of course.
Periodista : A proposito del escudo de la fe, Elisa, a mà me sorprendÃa Reutemann diciendo que estaba dispuesto a enfrentarse con el mismÃsimo demonio (Menem) y después terminó bajándose de la candidatura. Ahà parece que fuera ganando el demonio.
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Whatever.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Oh, I think building up Gaza and the West Bank would offer some fantastic opportunities, but handling an average population dropping down to preteenager levels? How easy is it to build up a country and an economy, teach those new kids skills, feed and shelter them? Especially when what they've been learning over the last 10 years is hatred and terrorism? I see very little to convince me that they will be able to handle these challenges unless they make radical changes to their society - ie, having a society that builds up instead of tearing down.Originally posted by DanS
Edan: Your "problems" could be just as easily framed as "opportunities" and "challenges". I don't buy into this Israeli view that this a problem."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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I hardly think the situation of the Palestinians is entirely, or perhaps even mostly, of their own doing. Further, lower population growth wouldn't help them better their lot in life.
This does present quite an interesting choice to Israel, however.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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