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Originally posted by Viking Berserk
WTF??? They have been occupying Palestine since 1948.
WTF??? They have been occupying Palestine since 1948.
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Which would explain why the Palestinians were under Jordanian (in th eWest bank) and Egyptian (in gaza) rule from 1948-1967.
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The settlements are still there, they never should have been there. They are still occupied. Bad Faith, on both sides.Originally posted by Edan
Barak put a halt on settlement growth under his term as PM. Israel also put a lot more at risk when they initiated the peace process than the Palestinians did by agreeing to the talks.
Did It? What, Israel going to risk losing respect by
talking? Neithier side has any of that to lose, so it's
a no risk sitution.Comment
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Blahblahblah... the Palestinian "Freedom Fighting" idiots are terrorists. Israeli Terrorism? Since when? Israel has to occupy Palestine because of DAMNED PALESTINIAN TERRORISM.Originally posted by Viking Berserk
WTF??? They have been occupying Palestine since 1948.
The Palestinian Freedom Fighting is a result of Israeli terrorism and occupation!
Your bias ignorance overshadows the reality.
Edit: Also Israel did not occupy Palestine since 1948. So get your history right.For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)Comment
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Since The Stern gang and the King David Hotel.Originally posted by Fez
Israeli Terrorism? Since when?
One of Israeli's PMs was a terrorist (Began)Comment
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True, they relied on terrorist tactics. They also were targeting military targets (the KDH was the military command of the british at the time) and phoned in a warning before the bombing. Of course, it was still a wrong tactic to use.Originally posted by Ozz
Since The Stern gang and the King David Hotel.
One of Israeli's PMs was a terrorist (Began)
Israeli terrorism was limited to between the late 30s and the late 40s (escalating after WW2). And those groups that were using those tactics were often isolated from the more mainstream of the population.
OTOH, the Arabs in the region had started to promote the use of suicide terrorism since around 1919, iirc."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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Except that according to the Oslo accords, which Arafat had agreed to, the settlements and the final border were issues that would be left for later. OTOH, in those accords he did agree to putting a stop to terrorism.Originally posted by Ozz
The settlements are still there, they never should have been there. They are still occupied. Bad Faith, on both sides.
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Did It? What, Israel going to risk losing respect by
talking? Neithier side has any of that to lose, so it's
a no risk sitution.
Right, Israel had nothing to lose by bring in a terrorist who had been spending 35+ years trying to wipe Israel out of existance and giving him control of the terroritories so that he could build up an infrastructure to attack Israel from inside. There was more terrorism in the 8 years of the peace process than there was before it, and that doesn't include the last 2 years of violence.
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Who's leaders went on to become top Israeli politicians.Originally posted by Edan
And those groups that were using those tactics were often isolated from the more mainstream of the population.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Who became PM 30 years after he had used terrorism - and then went on to forge peace with Egypt. And Begin was the one who wanted to avoid casualties and was the one who insisted on the telephone warnings before the KDH bombing.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Who's leaders went on to become top Israeli politicians."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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The Stern gang had no casus belli for bombing any target. They were just a bunch of terrorist thugs on the fast track to the top leadership of the new Israeli state.Originally posted by Edan
True, they relied on terrorist tactics. They also were targeting military targets (the KDH was the military command of the british at the time) and phoned in a warning before the bombing. Of course, it was still a wrong tactic to use.
It's the age old ME tale of murder and assassination being the stepping stones to the crown.Comment
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I wasn't sepecifically think of Begin at the time. Yitzhak Shamir and Israel Eldad were the main names that came to mind for me. The very fact that they and others commanders of terrorist organizations rose to such heights belies both the fact that they were isolated from mainstream society and that thier acts were generally condemned.Last edited by DinoDoc; December 6, 2002, 16:11.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Not everyone agrees whether the calls occured, OnlyOriginally posted by Edan
phoned in a warning before the bombing.
tactics were often isolated from the more mainstream of the population.
the Irgun agrees. (ie the terrorists' tale of events)
Seems pretty unlikely considering the facts.
"Members of the Royal Engineers were hurried to the scene with heavy lifting equipment, but they had difficulty reaching the King David Hotel because of Jewish road blocks. The Royal Engineers were stoned and booed as they tried to make their way to the scene of the bombing."
Seems a pretty mainstreet effort to me.
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Not everyone agrees whether the calls occured, Only
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Except, of course, for the evidence the British government released years later that corroberated it.
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one should point out DD, that they managed to be elected and beat labor only many years later.Comment
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Again, Shamir didn't come PM until 35 or 40 years afterwards.Originally posted by DinoDoc
I wasn't sepecifically think of Begin at the time. Yitzhak Shamir and Israel Eldad were the main names that came to mind for me.
Nonsense, a number of Jewish leaders denounced the King David Hotel Bombing, and the Hagganah distance themselves from the Irgun as a result of it. And, indeed, an Irgun weapons ship was sunk by the Hagganah under Ben Gurions orders because of Irguns militancy and extremism, and refusal to join in a national army where such things could be reigned in.The very fact that they and others commanders of terrorist organizations belies both the fact that they were isolated from mainstream society and that thier acts were generally condemned."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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So the massacres of the 20s and 30s (that the british were there to prevent weren't reason to arm themselves?) And IIRC, some members of the Irgun had been hanged by the British when they had been promised to be released which was what had initiated the action. Doesn't make ithe action right, but doesn't mean it was done without reason.Originally posted by Ozz
The Stern gang had no casus belli for bombing any target."I read a book twice as fast as anybody else. First, I read the beginning, and then I read the ending, and then I start in the middle and read toward whatever end I like best." - Gracie AllenComment
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