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Originally posted by Ned
I believe they could have had the necessary equipment by '43.
At least a full year after the US entered the war. By the time Germany would have been able to contest British superiority in the seas enough to launch an invasion the US would have been in full swing.
As far as Hitler having to invade Russia preemptively, there isn't much evidence that Stalin wanted to fight him. Stalin seemed quite content with his own massive empire, and didn't want to risk war with the Nazis.
I was wondering if anyone would call me on that!
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Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Was Angela Landsbury even alive during WWII?
I think she was in her early 60s in WWII...
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Germany almost won the Battle of the Atlantic in spite of the limited resources Hitler put into it. We're talking about Hitler using all Germany's resources into defeating Britain over a sustained period, not just a few weeks.
Almost? In what sense? The German surface ships were readily defeated. If not for the U-boat captains resourcefulness, it would have been a devestating defeat for Hitler. The Mediterranean strategy would almost be a total failure. Hitler needed to divide his forces into two parts, one to suppress the North Atlantic/British Channel activities and the other to use in the Mediterranean.
If he didn't pin NA/BC the Brits would just keep harassing Germany - Lancaster bombers over Berlin. Oh joy If he did he would need a much bigger air force and surface fleet to do the job.
Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
The first point is complete nonsense and the second is utter rubbish
How would he sustain the supplies in NA, Horsie? Considering how many Indian soldiers were in the British army it is quite conceivable to attack Middle East from India.
Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
No and he wanted to carve up the world with Hitler. This also fits nicely with the Mediterranean strat Stalin was very keen to agree global spheres of influence with Hitler under the Nazi Soviet Pact. He supplied Hitler's war machine with raw materials right up till Hitler invaded in 1941.
Probably not. Stalin was just biding time until he could launch his invasion. That's why Hitler attacked when he wasn't quite ready - just look at those crappy tanks. In fact, when a Soviet delegate checking out the German tank factories reported back to Stalin that the Nazis were hiding stuff, Hilter got worried. It meant the Soviets got better tanks.
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The wholw point about sealion was they coudn't even think about without air superiority. Without it the Royal navy would have made mincermeat out the german landing force.
Even if they had air superiority the navy would have sacrificed the destroyer and cruiser force to stop the invasion. Then if the germans got ashore the British were well dug in with the remaining armoured forces held in reserve to attack any break out. in 1940 German tanks wern't better than the British ones.
Also a German victory in the BoB would not mean the entire airforce was destroyed and the british light bomber force was being held in reserve to attack any invasion.
Having said all that had Halifax become prome minister we would have just given up and the Germans wouldn't have had to bother
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What? How could a city in Nova Scotia become Prime Minister?
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
What? How could a city in Nova Scotia become Prime Minister?
well the current system wasn't working so they thought of a radical solution.
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Originally posted by TheStinger
The wholw point about sealion was they coudn't even think about without air superiority. Without it the Royal navy would have made mincermeat out the german landing force.
They could easily achieve local air superiority over the channel.
Even if they had air superiority the navy would have sacrificed the destroyer and cruiser force to stop the invasion.
Wouldn't have achieved anything.
Then if the germans got ashore the British were well dug in with the remaining armoured forces held in reserve to attack any break out.
They weren't well dug in and there weren't any tanks left after Dunkirk.
in 1940 German tanks wern't better than the British ones.
Rubbish. Britain didn't produce a decent tank for the entire war.
Also a German victory in the BoB would not mean the entire airforce was destroyed and the british light bomber force was being held in reserve to attack any invasion.
Dream on. You mean like the British light bomber force stopped the German breakthrough in France?
Having said all that had Halifax become prome minister we would have just given up and the Germans wouldn't have had to bother
At last agreement And if Germany had ever taken the war in the Middle East seriously Churchill would have fallen and Halifax or someone like him would have been Prime Minister.
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They could easily achieve local air superiority over the channel.
Not if the RAF has won the BoB thats the point.
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Wouldn't have achieved anything.
Other tahn sinking the invasion force
[SIZE=1] They weren't well dug in and there weren't any tanks left after Dunkirk.
Britain lost most not all its tanks, it had at least an armoured corps left. There were still alot of troops and they had weapons. The problem was transport more than guns. They couldn't go on the offensive but they could fight a defensive battle. The south of England is still full of the defences thrown up in 1940, back then it looke like the Maginot line in places.
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Rubbish. Britain didn't produce a decent tank for the entire war.
The Matilda was a match for any German tank in 1940
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Dream on. You mean like the British light bomber force stopped the German breakthrough in France?
They would have been cut to pieces but they also would have been bombing a concentrated area they couldn't miss
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At last agreement And if Germany had ever taken the war in the Middle East seriously Churchill would have fallen and Halifax or someone like him would have been Prime Minister.
Its a fallacy to say the Germans didn't take it seriously, they didn't send as many than as to Russia but they sent more than a few hunderd hitler youth.
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Considering how many Indian soldiers were in the British army it is quite conceivable to attack Middle East from India.
And if Germany had ever taken the war in the Middle East seriously Churchill would have fallen and Halifax or someone like him would have been Prime Minister.
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