Time for democrats to admit they underestimated President Bush

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Clear Skies
There's the small matter of him actually having lost the 2000 election, but we'll pass over that...

He didn't lose. He got the most electoral college votes.

[SpencerH]

Like most people who push this crap you seem to have a strange version of 'truth' and 'fact'. Bush collected the most electoral votes, ergo he won.

[Clear Skies]

Originally posted by Caligastia



He didn't lose. He got the most electoral college votes.

I'm forced to disagree with both your statement and SpencerH's. He only won Florida by dishonest means - to wit, the illegal disenfranchisement of literally thousands of black Floridian voters

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Clear Skies


Truth not troll. Simple statement of fact.

You seem to belong to those group of people who simply don't understand the US election system.

[SpencerH]

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Clear Skies


I'm forced to disagree with both your statement and SpencerH's. He only won Florida by dishonest means - to wit, the illegal disenfranchisement of literally thousands of black Floridian voters

Do you have any evidence of this?

[Clear Skies]

Originally posted by Caligastia

Do you have any evidence of this?

Evidence that you would accept? Probably not. I can quote a book, but it was banned in the USA for being 'unpatriotic'.

I have online links, if you like. Will CNN do?

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/09/florida.election/

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/934283

I won't quote for fear of taking it out of context. If you don't accept these that's fine, I can't force you to. We may just have to agree to disagree.

[Clear Skies]

Sorry, missed one...

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/campaign2000/news/Bush_s_flip_flop_in_Florida+.shtml

[DinoDoc]

It was two years ago. The country has moved on long ago.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Clear Skies


Evidence that you would accept? Probably not. I can quote a book, but it was banned in the USA for being 'unpatriotic'.

I have online links, if you like. Will CNN do?

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/09/florida.election/

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/nation/934283

I won't quote for fear of taking it out of context. If you don't accept these that's fine, I can't force you to. We may just have to agree to disagree.

You're right, I won't accept that 'evidence'. All you have are allegations, nothing concrete. If Bush's people really had illegally excluded these voters, don't you think we would know about it by now? You know the dems would love to charge him with something like that, so why havent they? Because they have no evidence.

To say he didn't win the election is just silly.

[Clear Skies]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
It was two years ago. The country has moved on long ago.

Do I see an admission in the face of evidence, or am I being too optimistic...
Anyway, that isn't the point. The fact is that the wrong man is in the White House, and while I don't doubt Al gore could have (and most likely would have) done a much worse job than Bush, that doesn't make Bush right.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Clear Skies
Do I see an admission ...

That I just don't care anymore and got tired of listening to this long ago? Yes, you do.

If Gore had won his home state, Florida wouldn't have mattered at all.

[Clear Skies]

Originally posted by Caligastia
You're right, I won't accept that 'evidence'. All you have are allegations, nothing concrete. If Bush's people really had illegally excluded these voters, don't you think we would know about it by now? You know the dems would love to charge him with something like that, so why havent they? Because they have no evidence.

To say he didn't win the election is just silly.

I'd like better reasons why you don't accept it. I'm quite prepared for you not to, I'd just like some more justification. And some evidence the other way, if possible.
And IIRC there was a case brought to the attention of the Supreme Court where someone did try and do something about it. Palm Beach Springs Electoral Commission, IIRC. The people who delivered that report that you won't accept, for reasons you haven't given. If an official report isn't enough for you, what is?

[Clear Skies]

And one more link - I really gotta do my essay...

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/158418.html

[SpencerH]

Wonderful evidence! Did you actually read any of it or were the titles enough?

Please be sure to show me where on any ballot (spoiled or otherwise) it has a space to indicate race.

Try again.