Why terrorism against the US & the West

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Bottom-line, WTF difference does it make?
Like either or any option excuses terrorist action?

Ha, you know how some people react to terrorism, if it's aimed at Israel Sloww.

A perfect example, a gunman burts into a house, kills a woman, a two small children, and we see it explained away as "justifible" or "understandable" by some posters.

Against that mindset, what is the use of reason?

[DanS]

I'm with you, Chris, but the Jews aren't the heart of the matter--they're a side issue to OBL, et al. Something to stir up the masses.

[Arrian]

True. OBL tacked on the Israeli/Pal conflict pretty recently. The main issue for him was US troops on Saudi soil (or rather, soldiers of the infidel on Arab lands).

-Arrian

[Chris 62]

For Bin Laden maybe Dan, but not the rest of our "allies", in both the ME and Europe.

As long as Israel exsists, so too will terrorism, and these threads that seek to make it seem "US evil policy" brings on those attacks.

And endless circle.

[TheStinger]

I think Saddam should be got rid of-But I do think it woul d help hugley if the US (and whoever gave him stuff and money etc) said they got it completley and utterly wrong, that they should never have funded him in the first place. That they are not intending to make sure US companies get all the contracts to rebuild iraqi oil infrastucture AND they will stop giving unstinting support to Saudi Arabia who in alot of peoples opinions is as bad as Iraq.

They just need to a better PR job

[DanS]

"And endless circle."

Maybe, but these things are a matter of degrees. Some semblance of long-term peace can be brokered.

Even Hamas was dormant for a good long while.

[Chris 62]

I think it's obvious the US got it wrong with Saddam, we trusted him once, and now we know better.

But what is surprissing is why all those "humanists" out there, that oppose the removeal of Saddam, don't lift a FINGER to help the people of Iraq, who have suffered under this clown for decades.
I'm sure someone will say the US didn't do anything either, but we have tried to, for over a decade, only to be blocked by our old "friends", the French, and even more unbelivably, the UN!

[Viking Berserk]

who is the terrorists?
and why do you call them terrorists?

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by DanS
"And endless circle."

Maybe, but these things are a matter of degrees. Some semblance of long-term peace can be brokered.

Even Hamas was dormant for a good long while.

What fuels the Intifada Dan?

Isreal was in the "occupied territories" for 30 years, and nobody cared.

Now, whenever Israel responds violently to a terror attack, we see a ONE SIDED condemnation from our "allies" and the UN!

You think Hamas doesn't read the papers or watch the news?

[TheStinger]

I think the West should be far more procative in removing dictators, the real problem on the UN with that though is the Chineese, and their soverign nations can do anything they want to their own people stance.

[Chris 62]

Kofi Annon showed again today why the UN is really the league of nations.

According to article 8 of the last Iraq resolution, Iraq shall take NO attacks on allied forces enforcing UN resolutions.
Since Blix arrived, the Iraqis have been shooting at British and US planes, flying in the "no fly zone", a zone set up to PROTECT the Iraqi people from Saddam!

The US said, and quite rightly, this is a material breech, but Annon airily dismissed it, saying HE didn't think so, since no resolution specifically allowed the No-Fly zone.
Annon, appeazer to his last breath.

[Viking Berserk]

The only dictator in the world is bush.

[DanS]

"What fuels the Intifada Dan?"

A lot of things.

"Isreal was in the "occupied territories" for 30 years, and nobody cared."

Not so. People worked to bring about a compromise.

"You think Hamas doesn't read the papers or watch the news?"

They don't have to watch the news. Rather, they just watch their bank accounts. And I don't think Europe and the rest of our "allies" have much to do with this.

[BlackStone]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
and that it was your barbaric treatment of the Jews that not only drove the largest section of Israeli population to move to Israel, but also has given them that sense of desparation that impels so much of their domestic policy towards the Palestinian. When an Israeli says "Never again" he's not talking about the US you know. Don't you?

What Planet are you on. My country stood against Nazi Germany when everyone else in the world had gone silent. We stood against them alone while your country was still keeping itself neutral.

To turn round and say that we did something to the Jews when we fought against the Nazi`s is yet another example of ignorance, which goes nicely along with the remark that because the Jews have suffered that is why the Palestinians are being made to suffer, who is the apologist now.


Also I am not discounting what the European powers have done but you only need to look at the country who has the bases and troops on the ground to know why they single out the US.

[Arrian]

For the sake of argument, Chris, speaking of the UN...

If the UN did grow a backbone, what would happen when it moved to enforce resolutions w/regard to Israel? Removal of the settlements, for instance. The existence of the settlements is as much a slap in the face to the UN as Saddam's violations.

-Arrian