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  • #31
    Originally posted by Lord Merciless
    Saddam would comply in the face of brute force, just like the average bully on a schoolyard.

    Sucking up to this type of person would only boost their appetite.

    I'm glad you understand the reason for these demonstrations Lord Merciless.

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    • #32
      "hundreds of thousands of Iraqis die..."

      Where do you get that number? Are you pulling it out of your ass?

      "Military occupation?"

      The talk is 3-5 years. Long enough to redistribute power and oil revenue and to make it stick. Long enough to deal with the WMD.

      "Saddam started out as an American crony."

      That's oft repeated, but it isn't so. It was a mixed bag.

      "and a people who has just been invaded, bombed, and occupied have very violent agendas"

      Historical precedent doesn't support this assumption.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ranskaldan
        A puppet regime? Saddam started out as an American crony. Leaders who know how to fawn at America also know how to appeal to their people - and a people who has just been invaded, bombed, and occupied have very violent agendas.
        Actually, Bush is planning on appointing some genereal as leader of Iraq until "a democracy can be established". That really means we'll have a military tactician at the helm of a country until that country runs out of oil.

        The CIA Report doesn't directly say Iraq is a threat, but says it can have a nuclear weapon within a year... so why wait for the smoking gun as some leftists want? The US must and will go in and eliminate this regime.
        Why wait for the smoking gun of....

        North Korea, Pakistan, India, China, Burhma, Indonesia, Russia, Australia, East Timor, Poland, Germany, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Britain, South Africa, Egypt, Palestine, Libya, Israel, Spain, France, Canada, Congo (Both of them!), Japan, Brazil, Chile, Cuba, Bahamas, Jamaica, Phillipines, Taiwan.....heck, why wait for the smoking gun of the entire world?

        I mean, come on. EVERY COUNTRY in the world may aquire nuclear weapons at some point....and we all know they all hate us, so they'll instantly fire! NYC may be under a mushroom cloud at any time!!! We MUST out the leaders of every country in the entire world immediately because....they're evil people. It's just that simple.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Fez
          If you want to assassinate Saddam you will have to kill any imposters he might have, probably numbering in the dozens.

          Also the Americans invade, Saddam is killed... and the mission is accomplished. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqs won't die... that is the view of the ignorant left. WAR IS THE OPTION.

          Also:
          CIA.gov 404
          http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.pdf


          The CIA Report doesn't directly say Iraq is a threat, but says it can have a nuclear weapon within a year... so why wait for the smoking gun as some leftists want? The US must and will go in and eliminate this regime.
          Hundreds of thousand will probably die instead.

          That's not a "leftist opinion" it is a FACT.

          Last time many many thousand of Civilians died, and other thousands of soldiers.

          what make you so sure that this time nobody will die.

          Also do you really think that once the US troops leave the country... Saddam will not just start making his own things again?

          he already did it once and he has nothing to lose.

          what did last war brought to us?

          NOTHING, yes ok, they liberated Kuwait... but Saddam got instead even stronger after the war.

          What make you think that this time war will accomplish great things... And I don't just want opinions here... I want FACTS

          Saluti
          "Life is pretty simple: You do some stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works. If it works big, others quickly copy it. Then you do something else.
          The trick is the doing something else."           — Leonardo da Vinci
          "If God forbade drinking, would He have made wine so good?" - Cardinal Richelieu
          "In vino veritas" - Plinio il vecchio

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Giovanni Wine


            Hundreds of thousand will probably die instead.
            No.

            That's not a "leftist opinion" it is a FACT.
            Prove it.

            Last time many many thousand of Civilians died, and other thousands of soldiers.
            Source?

            what make you so sure that this time nobody will die.
            People die in wars but not hundreds of thousands in this one. Iraq's Army is rusting metal.

            Also do you really think that once the US troops leave the country... Saddam will not just start making his own things again?
            Nope because Saddam will be dead.

            what did last war brought to us?
            Quite a dumb way of looking at the situation. The US should of gone the extra mile and killed Saddam.

            NOTHING, yes ok, they liberated Kuwait... but Saddam got instead even stronger after the war.
            No he didn't. His army is 1/4 of what it was before the war.

            What make you think that this time war will accomplish great things... And I don't just want opinions here... I want FACTS
            You got facts. IT WILL LIBERATE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE TYRANNY, IT WILL LIBERATE THEM FROM THE STEAL FIST OF THE DICTATOR, IT WILL LIBERATE THEM FROM THE NERVE GASES HE SO LIKES TO USE! Those are my reasons.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • #36
              "That really means we'll have a military tactician at the helm of a country until that country runs out of oil."



              Do you have any idea how much proven reserves that Iraq has?
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #37
                Originally posted by DanS
                "That really means we'll have a military tactician at the helm of a country until that country runs out of oil."



                Do you have any idea how much proven reserves that Iraq has?
                Lots. I guess Iraq will be under the shadow of a US Military DIctat....I mean "self contained democracy" for a looooong time That is, until they can establish an independant democracy
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                • #38
                  Your "arguments" do not conveince anybody DanS. And everybody knows it.


                  Except Fez.

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                  • #39
                    Tass: Lots can happen in several centuries.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by paiktis22
                      Your "arguments" do not conveince anybody DanS. And everybody knows it.


                      Except Fez.
                      And you, along with those protesters do not convince anybody.
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DanS
                        Tass: Lots can happen in several centuries.
                        What I'm trying to say is that the US will be there for a long time, because Iraq does have quite a bit of oil. We wont leave until we can get it all.

                        Also fez, I found a link you may like:

                        Page not found - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
                        http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/1991/s91/s91lopez.html


                        There have been no precise estimates of civilian casualties during the war. The most intelligent guesses have been broad ranging: "5,000--15,000 Iraqi civilians died during the war, and 4,000-6,000 civilians died since the end of the war due to wounds, lack of medical care, or malnutrition," according to Greenpeace. The bitter reality is that the numbers of civilians who die in the war's broadening wake will soon dwarf the number of Iraqis, Kurds, and other refugees who died in the civil strife after March 1. And the United Nations estimated in July that 50-80 thousand infants are at risk of severe malnutrition because of the war.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Fez
                          No.
                          Opinions

                          Source?
                          It's not an internet one, i'll look at one

                          People die in wars but not hundreds of thousands in this one. Iraq's Army is rusting metal.
                          Do you value an Iraqi life less than an American one?

                          Nope because Saddam will be dead.
                          Just like last time

                          Quite a dumb way of looking at the situation. The US should of gone the extra mile and killed Saddam.
                          Learning from past experiences is the best way IMO, but that's just an opinion.

                          No he didn't. His army is 1/4 of what it was before the war.
                          But the country is now fully behind him, and fully against America and the west.

                          You got facts. IT WILL LIBERATE THE IRAQI PEOPLE FROM THE TYRANNY, IT WILL LIBERATE THEM FROM THE STEAL FIST OF THE DICTATOR, IT WILL LIBERATE THEM FROM THE NERVE GASES HE SO LIKES TO USE! Those are my reasons.
                          Dream on

                          Saluti
                          "Life is pretty simple: You do some stuff. Most fails. Some works. You do more of what works. If it works big, others quickly copy it. Then you do something else.
                          The trick is the doing something else."                           — Leonardo da Vinci
                          "If God forbade drinking, would He have made wine so good?" - Cardinal Richelieu
                          "In vino veritas" - Plinio il vecchio

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                          • #43
                            Also bare in mind that the financial cost of war against Iraq will be minimal for the US and will be covered within one year. (both from Iraqi oilfields captured by the US and their "allies contributions") Previous time Germany payed a large deal. No wonder they want out this time.


                            That's all they care about and not the civilians that will
                            be slaughtered of course.


                            I thought I should mention that since economy is a great power and can define things.

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                            • #44
                              GW, prove anything you are saying. Oh I see you can't! And you just say dream on because you cannot provide any other way... you are a hopeless... and you have been brainwashed by those misled protesters.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Fez
                                GW, prove anything you are saying. Oh I see you can't! And you just say dream on because you cannot provide any other way... you are a hopeless... and you have been brainwashed by those misled protesters.
                                Fez... Your not even reading my posts! I feel soo sad....Please go back and read them and maybe even respond to them....
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