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  • #166
    Originally posted by Ramo
    I generally admit when I'm wrong (which does happen sometimes ), when I realize I'm wrong. I'm sure plenty of people in 'Poly would back me on that.
    If that is true abou you, that's a really good trait to have. I just can't see how you can defend what you said.

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    • #167
      No it wasn't. The subject was the same. If I wasn't referring to the distastefullness of asserting that certain "races" are more violent than others, would you mind telling me exactly what I was referring to since I'm rather curious?

      If you read the posts from the post I quoted to the post that you did, you would realize, there had been no change in subject on the morality issue (although it diverged to an analogy with atheism, but immediately came back to the point which I'm referring to).
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #168
        Well, If it was me ---> If I contribute something own I wrote to a post, and get reply like this
        Saying that showing blacks are more violent than whites would help to "celebrate diversity" is totally absurd.
        _when infact I don't mean it and it's clear from my post that I don't_. Then I would be upset about the reply I got. To me it looks that I was implying the quoted part when I was not.

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        • #169
          My moral criticism was limited to the idea that certain "races" are more violent than others (although, I would extend it to a number of other things; i.e. differences in intelligence). I don't see how his post would be relevant in the context of the discussion if he didn't mean that. Which is why I said it would explain a lot if rans forgot what the discussion was about.
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • #170
            This is what he wrote, BTW, which prompted my response.

            "Exactly... in the same way that the stripping away of deism did not diminish morality, neither would investigations into human phenotypes diminish our celebration of human diversity, to borrow a PC term."

            Given the context of my moral criticism (repeated above), my comment is perfectly valid.
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • #171
              Rans was not pointing finger at any specific race.

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              • #172
                What's your point? If there are no moral problems with all "racial" combinations (which is what his comment implied, given the context), there isn't any problem with a black/white comparison.
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                -Bokonon

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                • #173
                  I'm still curious as to what you believe I was writing about, and what you believe the discussion was about.
                  "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                  -Bokonon

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                  • #174
                    I still believe when arguing with a person, you should only consider his opinion and points. Not anyone elses.

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                    • #175
                      That's exactly what I did.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • #176
                        BTW, I love your sig.
                        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                        -Bokonon

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                        • #177
                          Originally posted by Ramo
                          BTW, I love your sig.
                          Me too

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                          • #178
                            Originally posted by Ramo
                            That's exactly what I did.
                            I have to stop qouting this sentence.
                            Saying that showing blacks are more violent than whites would help to "celebrate diversity" is totally absurd.
                            He pointed out that's not his opinion.

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                            • #179
                              Originally posted by ranskaldan
                              Such genetic variation was created by long-term isolation of Europeans and Africans. This has caused two gene pools to be different in character, as evolution and chance always do to isolated populations.

                              Hence, why wouldn't such variations extend to anything beyond physical traits? Variations in terms of hormonal levels, for instance, could arise as well. In fact, they have to arise, or else the Theory of Evolution is bunk.
                              Surely variations could extend beyond physical traits, but it will be up to you to establish that such variations are universal within a "race" and can be linked to skin colour (or other such attributes) consistently.

                              Evolution does not dictate what will or will not arise, it is the environment that does so.
                              Last edited by Urban Ranger; November 10, 2002, 03:54.
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • #180
                                It's totally irrelevent whether it's his opinion or not. The point is this:

                                "Regarding the distastefulness of this topic, yes, it's absolutely distasteful. I see no valid reason why anyone should be determining whether certain "races" are more "violent" than others.

                                If there were differences, however miniscule, I wouldn't want to know, and I don't think anyone ought to know."

                                If it were true, it certainly would "diminish our celebration of human diversity." That's the entire point.
                                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                                -Bokonon

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