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  • #151
    The pink unicorn is getting very annoying....

    It is also a false analogy, since the idea of one is absurd; but the idea of non-physical differences between peoples of different physical characters isn't.

    I get your point about the lack of evidence - indeed evidence is lacking, since any difference is explained away by socioeconomic factors. Also, as either you or che said, the sceptre of power shifts from race to race, which means that differences between races in that respect aren't significant.

    However, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. Perhaps the entire white population is .1% more violent than the black population genetically. The possibility is certainly there. In fact, if you told me that the black and white populations match each other exactly in every respect, I would think that's improbable.

    As for music classifications, I personally find them intriguing.

    Anyway, it's late... and I won't be posting any more tonight.
    Poor silly humans. A temporarily stable pattern of matter and energy stumbles upon self-cognizance for a moment, and suddenly it thinks the whole universe was created for its benefit. -- mbelleroff

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    • #152
      Phenotypical difference is one thing, but perhaps my definition of race is a bit different. I see it as categorical divisions of humanity that certainly go beyond geography. Certainly I can agree though that traits related to geography are a product of genetic isolation.
      Dom Pedro II - 2nd and last Emperor of the Empire of Brazil (1831 - 1889).

      I truly believe that America is the world's second chance. I only hope we get a third...

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      • #153
        Like I said, you haven't been reading my posts, and are pulling this out of your ass. Look near the beginning of my argument with him. That's the post I was referring to, about the tastefulness about what the thread is about, which is what Cali started in the initial post.
        Yes, the evidence is flying out of my ass and must be total crap. Cali is not ranskaldan. Go read your own posts. The ones I took qoutes of. To me atleast it seemed that you implied something nasty about ranskandal, and made a lame attempt trying to save yourself. Am I seeing this totally wrong?

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        • #154
          It is also a false analogy, since the idea of one is absurd; but the idea of non-physical differences between peoples of different physical characters isn't.
          The idea of differences in certain non-physical differences, for instance intelligence, are absurd.

          I get your point about the lack of evidence - indeed evidence is lacking, since any difference is explained away by socioeconomic factors.
          Well, there is no evidence for causes of these supposed differences. So, since there is no evidence for the causes of these differences, and no evidence for the existence of these differences, the most reasonable position to take is that they don't exist. There is absolutely no rational reason to think exist.

          I'll give you another reason why these differences wouldn't exist. Let's suppose that subsaharan Africa selects more violent people due to hormonal levels or whatever (even if the argument makes absolutely no sense).

          Now, consider that 20,000 years ago, the Saharan desert didn't exist; European or North Africans could migrate freely to the South. However, due to heavy violence in Subsaharan Africa because everyone's agressive, the communities living there would continually starve because the constant violence prevents them from functioning as normal societies. Instead, they are replaced be well-behaving North Africans who don't have these odd hormonal problems (hunter-gatherers don't exterminate each other as has been observed, so the North Africans won't be killed because they're too pacifistic). So, what you end up with is genetic homogeneity with respect to this hormone thing.

          Perhaps the entire white population is .1% more violent than the black population genetically. The possibility is certainly there.
          To bring up the pink unicorn again, any possiblity is there.
          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
          -Bokonon

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          • #155
            Yes, the evidence is flying out of my ass and must be total crap. Cali is not ranskaldan. Go read your own posts. The ones I took qoutes of. To me atleast it seemed that you implied something nasty about ranskandal, and made a lame attempt trying to save yourself. Am I seeing this totally wrong?
            Yes, you're totally wrong and have no idea what you're ranting about. The post to which I was referring was about what Cali was initially writing; that's what the whole discussion regarding tastefulness was about (which the comment you picked was a part of).
            "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
            -Bokonon

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            • #156
              Originally posted by Ramo


              Yes, you're totally wrong and have no idea what you're ranting about. The post to which I was referring was about what Cali was initially writing; that's what the whole discussion regarding tastefulness was about (which the comment you picked was a part of).
              You qouted ranskaldan just before you said it. What should one think of that?

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              • #157
                That's what the whole discussion regarding tastefulness was about. Like I said, you need to read what you're criticizing.
                "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                -Bokonon

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                • #158
                  Originally posted by Ramo
                  That's what the whole discussion regarding tastefulness was about. Like I said, you need to read what you're criticizing.
                  Yeah, that's it. I give up on you. Thanks for a good sig

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                  • #159
                    "Regarding the distastefulness of this topic, yes, it's absolutely distasteful. I see no valid reason why anyone should be determining whether certain "races" are more "violent" than others.

                    If there were differences, however miniscule, I wouldn't want to know, and I don't think anyone ought to know."

                    This is what the discussion was about.
                    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                    -Bokonon

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                    • #160
                      Yeah, that's it. I give up on you. Thanks for a good sig
                      Sure, it's a great sig to make yourself look like an ass.
                      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                      -Bokonon

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                      • #161
                        Originally posted by Ramo
                        "Regarding the distastefulness of this topic, yes, it's absolutely distasteful. I see no valid reason why anyone should be determining whether certain "races" are more "violent" than others.

                        If there were differences, however miniscule, I wouldn't want to know, and I don't think anyone ought to know."

                        This is what the discussion was about.
                        The post what you replied was not

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                        • #162
                          The post what you replied was not
                          Yes, it was (even if rans forgot what the topic was - which could explain a lot). That was the starting point of my tastefulness debate with rans. Anything referring to tastefulness/morality I wrote was in reference to that.
                          "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                          -Bokonon

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                          • #163
                            Originally posted by Ramo


                            Sure, it's a great sig to make yourself look like an ass.
                            That's what life is about, not admitting anything wrong oneself commits and trying to look cool to everyone else.

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                            • #164
                              I generally admit when I'm wrong (which does happen sometimes ), when I realize I'm wrong. I'm sure plenty of people in 'Poly would back me on that.
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
                              -Bokonon

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                              • #165
                                The subjects can differ inside threads, and take different directions. Like this now, is actually quite different from the title of the thread. I think the subject there was something totally different too.

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