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How so? If you "plug in" any race into the same environment, could you infer that that race is more likely to commit violent crimes? It's nonsensical to draw such a conclusion.
If you specified the area where the violent crime was being committed, then you would only be referring to members of that race that live in that area. Would that be more acceptable
And what if the specific high-crime area was multi-racial or even multi-ethnic, but similar in all other socio-economic circumstances? Could you draw the same relationships between race and crime?
Its still a statement of fact, so I don't have a problem with it.
Statement of fact? More like completely irrational generalization. How can anyone establish a link between skin color and degree of "corruptness"? (whatever that is.)
I need look no further than the city I live in to prove wrong what you say. The degree of violent crime is greater in poor parts of Detroit, period. There are large, middle-class populations of all races. And none are have a greater propensity than the other to commit crime. It's a money thing. Not a race thing.
"Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.
But the infringement of other rights, such as equal protection under the law, freedom from unwarranted searches, and harrassment based on racial profile are ,of course,perfectly acceptable. After all, you never know what those crazy ni###rs might be up to.
Ferndale police seem to make it a policy to stop any car coming up Woodward past 8mile Rd.
I've seen it many times driving there. And for those not familiar with the Detroit Metro area, 8mile Rd. is the dividing line between the 'City' and the 'Burbs'.
You are not omniscient. You do not know which race commits more violent crime.
You might comment on which races are more likely to be accused of crimes, more likely to be arrested for them, more likely to be charged, less likely to have the charge dropped, less likely to have access to quality representation, more likely to be convicted by a jury, etc, etc.
See where the flaws creep in?
Yes, but I think the statement is still a reasonable assumption when supported by facts. Its like you're saying "How do you know there aren't hordes of whites frequently committing violent crime that isnt reported?". We don't know, but its a reasonable assumption that there aren't.
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I've seen it many times driving there. And for those not familiar with the Detroit Metro area, 8mile Rd. is the dividing line between the 'City' and the 'Burbs'.
And a pretty good movie, from what I hear.
"Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.
Originally posted by Japher
Caligastia; I agree that definition is bad.
I heard a commedian who once said that white people are right to be prejudice. If you are white and you are walking down the street, at night, in his old neighborhood, and you see three N***ers walking towards you... RUN!!!
What a racist commedian. Yet, he pretty well defined the difference between racism and prejudism. Racism is a result of ignorance, Prejudism is the result of education.
I need you to define more clearly what you mean by "racism" before I can comment.
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Originally posted by DetroitDave
How so? If you "plug in" any race into the same environment, could you infer that that race is more likely to commit violent crimes? It's nonsensical to draw such a conclusion.
Why? If one particular race is in an environment that fosters violence, and is regularly arrested for violent crimes, then it seems reasonable to me to state that that race is more likely to commit violent crimes.
And what if the specific high-crime area was multi-racial or even multi-ethnic, but similar in all other socio-economic circumstances? Could you draw the same relationships between race and crime?
Of course. That would make the statement even more likely to be true.
Statement of fact? More like completely irrational generalization. How can anyone establish a link between skin color and degree of "corruptness"? (whatever that is.)
If one particular race is consistently over-represented in violent crime, you don't see a link between race and crime?
I need look no further than the city I live in to prove wrong what you say. The degree of violent crime is greater in poor parts of Detroit, period. There are large, middle-class populations of all races. And none are have a greater propensity than the other to commit crime. It's a money thing. Not a race thing.
And which race is in the majority in the poor parts of Detroit?
...people like to cry a lot...- Pekka ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority.- Snotty
Yes, but I think the statement is still a reasonable assumption when supported by facts. Its like you're saying "How do you know there aren't hordes of whites frequently committing violent crime that isnt reported?". We don't know, but its a reasonable assumption that there aren't.
I think it's an equally reasonable assumption that there aren't hordes of black people committing violent crime, Caligastia.
And which race is in the majority in the poor parts of Detroit?
Depends entirely on the neighborhood. We have large populations of Hispanics, Arab-Americans, Vietnamese, and just about everybody else. Which is why it is flatly impossible to say one race is more likely than another to commit any form of crime.
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Originally posted by DetroitDave
Depends entirely on the neighborhood. We have large populations of Hispanics, Arab-Americans, Vietnamese, and just about everybody else. Which is why it is flatly impossible to say one race is more likely than another to commit any form of crime.
But you can say that a multi-ethnical society breeds violence
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If one particular race is consistently over-represented in violent crime, you don't see a link between race and crime?
No, because it doesn't take into account the myriad of reasons and causalities, outside of race, for why such an over-representation is taking place. You can't just look at a set of statistics and assume that the color of one's skin equals a greater propensity for violent crime.
See my previous example about middle class neighborhoods in detroit. Minority middle-class and affluent neighborhoods, devoid of poverty, drugs, and family disarray, have no higher rates of crime than white neighborhoods within city limits. Stripped of other negative influences, blacks(hispanics or other minorities) aren't committing more crimes than whites in their respective areas.
"Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.
If one particular race is consistently over-represented in violent crime, you don't see a link between race and crime?
It's clear that the over-representation of certain "races" (what a loaded term) in violent crime is due to the over-representation of these "races" in situations that foster violent crime; i.e. living in an inner city ghetto.
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I need you to define more clearly what you mean by "racism" before I can comment.
I agree with the definition you gave, but only #1, #2 does not adequatly define it. Discrimination is racist, I think, but prejudice does not.
Where prejudism is: preconceived judgment or opinion (taken from Merriam-Webster dictionary). Note: I do not agree the first definition of the word.
I also want to point out that the dictionary uses prejudice to describe racism, but does not use racism to describe prejudism. Hmmm, I guess the words aren't interchangeable.
You can't just look at a set of statistics and assume that the color of one's skin equals a greater propensity for violent crime.
What? Yes you can. You also stated:
No, because it doesn't take into account the myriad of reasons and causalities, outside of race, for why such an over-representation is taking place.
This is true. Yet, if a greater number of specific race is committing a higher number of crimes than other races, than would it no be safe to conclude that a greater number of that race committing the crimes is more subjected to the "myriad of reasons and causalities" that cause them to commit the crime?
You can't just look at someone and judge their up bringing and moral/ethical values. Yet, if statistics show that a specific race in a certain area have a greater propensity to display certain characteristics, than those characteristics would be projected upon that race.
That is why, IMO, racial profiling exists, and while morally wrong is, to me, understandable.
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