France Surrenders!

[Japher]

GePap: You really need to read what you write. Excuses are not justifications. I do not disagree with the justification that Sadam had with attacking Iraq. I do however have reservations with you EXCUSES for him attacking Kuwait.

Only a mad man would wan't to knock down their neighbor because they were in debt to them.

What a lame excuse.

Thus, it (what I wrote) is not a load of crap. Have you ever stopped to wonder why Sadam is always going to war, at the drop of a hat? Because he is a PSYCHO!!!

Thanks though for the history lesson.

Jimmytrick: Way to stand up for the boys!

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by jimmytrick


I didn't say it was a success Dolphin.

I presumed "American combat forces kicked ass" implied you thought the US was successful because it had a big body count.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin


I presumed "American combat forces kicked ass" implied you thought the US was successful because it had a big body count.

Nope. And I hope I did not offend you by seeming to poo pah civilian casualties. I don't want any innocents to die.

BTW, from a military POV, Germany's effort in WW2 was outstanding. The Wehrmacht was an unmatched killing machine just as the Fuhrer was an unmatched tyrant. Might doesn't make right, but it does stir up a lot of sh!t.

I truely hope that Saddam complies with the UN mandate and there need be no future hostility. But if he doesn't I pray the US drops the wrath of God on him.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
I truely hope that Saddam complies with the UN mandate and there need be no future hostility. But if he doesn't I pray the US drops the wrath of God on him.

And kill thousands of civilians in the process, who suffered from his regime for years. But I must admit you're consitent jimmytrick, since you said :

As for civilian casualties, I don't know and I don't care.

Well, I guess that's what liberals are calling "the degenerating of a once great country", when its inhabitants think like the madmen they want to fight.

[The Mad Monk]

From the resolution:

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the free and unrestricted use and landing of fixed and rotary winged aircraft, including manned and unmanned reconnaissance vehicles:

Can you see the Predators buzzing Baghdad, day and night?

Best. Resolution. Ever.

[Straybow]

France: We don't think these guys are so dangerous.
[French oil tanker gets bombed by terrorists]
France: On the other hand…

I'm still thinking Saddam is the good excuse to make people accept this war (how many countries don't obey UN resolutions ? How many powerful madmen are there in the world ? Why should we strike now rather than yesterday or tomorrow ?), but let's face it, the only true intend is oil, even if the fall of the despotic regime will be good news. —Spiffor

UN passes "We hate Israel and the USofA" resolutions all the time, which Israel and the USofA routinely ignore. This is different; if Euroweenies can't tell the difference they can sod off. After years of foot-dragging by Euroweenies and their favorite American President, the USofA managed to get a coalition into Yugoslavia to count the bodies. The USofA prefers to intervene while there is still a populace to protect.

:hmm: Do people forget that this whole mess started when Saddam invaded his peaceful neighbor Kuwait, raped and pillaged, etc? He got his but kicked, and the coalition that kicked it in offered to stop the war under conditions stipulated.

Years ago the USofA invaded Panama to depose Noriega for playing both sides when "the only true intent" was to curtail drug trade. If the USofA were really the war freaks as peaceniks claim we'd have invaded again to keep the Panama Canal out of Chinese hands. It's that "real and present danger" idea, not just whatever is in USofA's ideological interest.

It isn't because the senior GB was in office during Desert Storm, but because of a spineless liberal simpleton being in office for 8 years in between. We shouldn't be on the 18th iteration of, "This is your last chance!" We are doing it right this time, even if we have to jump through a UN hoop or two to get there. This is Saddam's last chance.

[David Floyd]

David, I am sure that I am misunderstanding this quote. I hope so. Because if not, I am going to have to be branding you a treasonous little piss ant punk.

So please clarify that those were not American aircraft piloted by American pilots that you are sorry the Iraqis failed to shoot down.

No, you had it right the first time. It's unfortunate that Iraq was unable to successfully defend itself against US militarism and interventionism.

It certainly would have been a shame for US pilots to die, but then again, they accept that risk by volunteering for the US Air Force.

And I'm afraid the word "treason" is pretty meaningless to me, except as a loaded buzzword used mainly by conservative hawks, so you'll excuse me if I don't care what you call me.

[David Floyd]

I truely hope that Saddam complies with the UN mandate and there need be no future hostility. But if he doesn't I pray the US drops the wrath of God on him.

If you changed "Saddam" to "Sharon", it would be logically inconsistent for you to disagree with that statement.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by David Floyd


No, you had it right the first time. It's unfortunate that Iraq was unable to successfully defend itself against US militarism and interventionism.

It certainly would have been a shame for US pilots to die, but then again, they accept that risk by volunteering for the US Air Force.

And I'm afraid the word "treason" is pretty meaningless to me, except as a loaded buzzword used mainly by conservative hawks, so you'll excuse me if I don't care what you call me.

Well in that case David, if we happen to meet off net you'll excuse me when I excercise my natural right to kick the living **** out of you.

[Capt Dizle]

Originally posted by jimmytrick


Well in that case David, if we happen to meet off net you'll excuse me when I excercise my natural right to kick the living **** out of you.

Oh, I don't really mean that. I know you are just a kid and hell, when I was a kid I had lots of stupid ignorant ideas too.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Straybow
UN passes "We hate Israel and the USofA" resolutions all the time, which Israel and the USofA routinely ignore.

The US has a veto on the security council. WHY would you think it would pass a resolution that is "We hate the USofA"? Rather than pass it and ignore it, the US would just veto it.

The US passes those resolutions because it agrees (or at least does not object) to them.

[David Floyd]

Well in that case David, if we happen to meet off net you'll excuse me when I excercise my natural right to kick the living **** out of you.

Really? You have a natural right to assault me?

Actually you don't. If you were to assault me, though, I certainly have a right to fight back.

Oh, I don't really mean that. I know you are just a kid and hell, when I was a kid I had lots of stupid ignorant ideas too.

First of all, I'm hardly a "kid", I'm just an adult who is younger than you are.

Secondly, if my ideas are "stupid" and "ignorant", then you're a big poo-face. How's that for logic?!

Sorry, you've never been able to adequately make or defend ANY position, so I'm not gonna take you seriously until you start.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by David Floyd


No, you had it right the first time. It's unfortunate that Iraq was unable to successfully defend itself against US militarism and interventionism.

It certainly would have been a shame for US pilots to die, but then again, they accept that risk by volunteering for the US Air Force.

And I'm afraid the word "treason" is pretty meaningless to me, except as a loaded buzzword used mainly by conservative hawks, so you'll excuse me if I don't care what you call me.

:: Looks at quote ::

:: reads over quote again ::

:: One more time just to make sure ::

David, I would like to give a big hearty "f-ck you" on behalf of the United States Armed Forces. Throughout my time here on Apolyton (at least, when I started hanging around the OT) you have demonstrated yourself to be a spineless, ballless ingrate who'd rather have the world fall apart around himself then risk personal harm.

Now, in effect, you're labeling USAF, USN, and USMC (Plus RAF) pilots as less than human beings. I always wondered if you had any empathy at all for your fellow homo sapiens sapiens, now I know. You don't.

Those planes are flying over Iraq, and are legally doing so. It was Saddam Hussein who set himself up for the no-fly zones, not the rest of the World. And now, even though I'm going into "Immient Danger" (so says the job detailer here), I hope to be there when we 'regime change' his ass.

So, f--k you David Floyd. Go back to whatever Libertarian masturbation fantasy world you live in. As the man said, Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

[Spiffor]

AFAIK, the US and UK planes are bombing Iraqi buildings. It may be explaning why Iraq dares to respond. I'm glad the Iraqi AA misses its targets, but I deeply regret Yank bombs hit theirs.

But you'll probably argue that Iraq shouldn't try to defend itself when bombed, because "it is legal to enforce a UN resolution" (best sham ever ! )...

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Spiffor
AFAIK, the US and UK planes are bombing Iraqi buildings. It may be explaning why Iraq dares to respond. I'm glad the Iraqi AA misses its targets, but I deeply regret Yank bombs hit theirs.

But you'll probably argue that Iraq shouldn't try to defend itself when bombed, because "it is legal to enforce a UN resolution" (best sham ever ! )...

You misrecall. US/UK planes bomb Iraqi buildings....in reailiation for being shot out.

It originated when the Iraqis would use SAM radars to target Western airplanes on patrol. Whether or not the Iraqis actually intended to shoot at US/UK planes is moot, because any military pilot with any sense of shelf preservation is going to destroy that radar site before a SAM is launched and guided in.

From there it went to Iraqi AAA, weapons not to far remove from WW2 stuff, opening up on planes. Then the actual weapons sites were hit.