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its a compromise that allows both sides to saythey got what they wanted. In france they will say they won in the US they will say they did
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... and everyone wins except Saddam. How delightful.(\__/)
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This from the Guardian:
"It makes clear that if Hans Blix, the UN's chief weapons inspector, encounters Iraqi obstructions, the security council will be reconvened to assess their significance. Crucially, though, it states that such obstructions will automatically constitute "material breach" - theoretically allowing Washington to use them as a trigger for war regardless of how they are interpreted by the council.
Last night's agreement between the US and the French, with which the Russians are expected to go along, came when Washington agreed to an apparently microscopic change in the text: the replacement of a single occurrence of the word "or" by the word "and".
In the new version, if the US or any other state wants to report an instance of Iraqi non-compliance, and thus to reconvene the security council, it will have to do so "in accordance with paragraph 11 and 12", not "11 or 12".
That means a consultation must be held with the weapons inspectors, led by Mr Blix and Mohamed el-Baradei, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
Before the change, the French feared that Washing ton might hear of an inconvenience faced by the inspectors - a locked door at a suspect facility, for example - and use it automatically to reconvene the security council and begin the march to war, even if the inspectors themselves did not consider the incident a breach of Iraq's obligations."
In other words the hair trigger that had been causing a lot of problems for the past several weeks has been removed.Comment
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How is this what France wanted? They certainly didn't want a basically American resolution that will ensure an Iraqi war if Saddam even breathes funny. Isn't the resolution one that Saddam will surely never except? One that will give UN(American) forces free reign in Iraq, a general problem with the last inspection team which it was revealed was used to infiltrate US intelligence operatives into Iraq? Or am I completely off here, anyone got any opinions? hehe stupid question.Comment
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Well, I don't know if Canada is going to go, most likly will, still its thorght the UN, and I was scared for the America, last time the US when to a war will out NATO, they got there asses kicked, in the Veitam War.Former President, Vice-president and Foreign Minister of the Apolyton Civ2-Democracy Games as 123john321Comment
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If all we required was an excuse, he had among other violation of a, cease fire agreement (note note a oeace traty ending hostilities but a cease fire conditionally suspending them) targeted and shot as our aircraft dozens of times.Originally posted by Urban Ranger
His violation of UN resolutions is just an excuse.Gaius Mucius Scaevola Sinistra
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France did not want that US goes on his own and only conditions.Originally posted by gsmoove23
How is this what France wanted? They certainly didn't want a basically American resolution that will ensure an Iraqi war if Saddam even breathes funny. Isn't the resolution one that Saddam will surely never except? One that will give UN(American) forces free reign in Iraq, a general problem with the last inspection team which it was revealed was used to infiltrate US intelligence operatives into Iraq? Or am I completely off here, anyone got any opinions? hehe stupid question.
They always said you may not go WITHOUT a UN agreement.
Now that the UN (I wrote UN, not US) resolution is there, and (second condition that is to come) Saddam does not satisfy it, then, and only then, US may go.
It is more or less like when the white hats go after the black hats. If they go without a silver star and it happen they kill one of the black hats, they are considered murderers. But, if they receive wearing a silver star, then, if they may legally go after the bad guy.
France wanted that IF you go, then you must go the civilized way, WITH a silver star.
If US go according to US condition only, everybody can then say: it's unfair, US are imperialists, dictators,... Terrorist organisations would have no problem recruiting members (revenge). Arab governments would have difficulties to fight fundamentalism because of public opinion.
Now that US will go, not at their condition, but at a 3rd party condition (UN), nobody will be able to call US the bad guys. Terrorists will have more problems recruiting. Arab governments(*) will have an objective, legal reason to fight it if they do.
France gave Bush an international diplomacy/relationship lesson, my friend. They saved his international image. He should thank them.
Because he will fight wearing the silver star, the brother of the bad guy will not be able to take revenge, except by fighting the law itself.
(*) And european countries that have a large islamic immigration too.The books that the world calls immoral are the books that show the world its own shame. Oscar Wilde.Comment
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That's the most strained and confusing analogy I've ever seen.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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France got what it wants is just semantics. Yeah they said you can't go without a resolution and now they can save face, sort of, but what they wanted was no go, no war. I like France, I appreciate the annoying little ****s for speaking their mind
and I'm disappointed that they backed down here. Oh well.
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By an american resolution I meant a UN resolution on basically american terms. Yeah I know this is the sad reality of most UN resolutions...Comment
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"its a compromise that allows both sides to saythey got what they wanted. In france they will say they won in the US they will say they did"
This is the thing to keep in mind. We didn't give up much, and certainly nothing important. If the French want to portray it as a win, then they are welcome to do so. But we have the bigger press machine.
"That's the most strained and confusing analogy I've ever seen."
Dry's fond of those.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Not in french you haven'tOriginally posted by DanS
"its a compromise that allows both sides to saythey got what they wanted. In france they will say they won in the US they will say they did"
This is the thing to keep in mind. We didn't give up much, and certainly nothing important. If the French want to portray it as a win, then they are welcome to do so. But we have the bigger press machine.
Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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Bah. Who reads and speaks French, anyway?
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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My english beeing so poor, I need them to try to explain my views.Originally posted by DanS
Dry's fond of those.
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Analogies never work in international relations, Dry.
My favorite was when the Chinese public kept repeating the analogy of breaking into your neighbor's house when they rammed our spy plane a couple of years ago.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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