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    Gay Sheep May Help Explain Biology of Homosexuals
    Mon Nov 4, 1:43 PM ET
    By Maggie Fox, Health and Science Correspondent

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Gay sheep that mate only with other rams have different brain structures from "straight" sheep, a finding that may shed light on human sexuality, U.S. researchers said on Monday.

    The differences are similar to those seen in some homosexual humans, but probably only go a small way to explaining the causes of different sexual preferences, the team at Oregon Health & Science University said.


    "We are not trying to explain human sexuality by this study," Charles Roselli, a professor of physiology and pharmacology who led the study, said in a telephone interview. "Whether this is a big component of what contributes in humans, that's still debatable."


    Working with a team at the U.S. Department of Agriculture (news - web sites)'s Sheep Experiment Station in Dubois, Idaho, Roselli's team studied 27 sheep -- 10 ewes, nine rams that mated only with other rams and eight rams that mated only with females.


    The "gay" sheep are strongly homosexual, Roselli said.


    "They don't pair-bond," he said. "But they are exclusive. They don't court or mate with females. They only court and mate with males."


    First the scientists watched the sheep to be sure of their behavior -- something that cannot be done with humans. Then they took apart their brains.


    "There had been reports in humans that a certain area of the hypothalamus, the preoptic area ... was usually larger in males than females," Roselli said. This area was also found to be larger in heterosexual humans than in homosexual men.


    But the researchers had used the brains of men who had died of AIDS (news - web sites) in their study, which meant the disease or drugs used to treat it could have had an effect on the brain.


    "With an animal model you can be more selective and do more controlled studies," Roselli said.


    The sheep had similar differences in their brains, the researchers told a meeting in Orlando, Florida, of the Society for Neuroscience.

    "In a sense we confirmed what been found in humans," Roselli said.

    The brain cells in this area also made greater amounts of an enzyme called aromatase in the heterosexual rams. Aromatase is involved in the action of testosterone, the so-called male hormone.

    This does not mean the gay rams had less testosterone in their brains, Roselli stressed. "It is not necessarily the activational effect of the hormone," he said. Other types of neurons are probably active -- they just have not found them yet.

    No differences in testosterone relating to sexuality have been found either in the sheep or in humans, he said.

    "It's not that gay men have lower levels of testosterone," he said. "And it's not the case with these sheep."

    Roselli believes that exposure to hormones while still in the mother's womb may affect the brain and cause differences in sexual preference, and more experiments will aim to show whether this is true.

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    Although I do find this interesting and informative, my problem is that some people of the NAZI RELIGIOUS FREAK persuasion (not to be confused with the honest, descent people of faith who aren't filled with hate and spiteful of their fellow (hu)man that doesn't fit into their perfect little mold) will make an association between gays and goats (<- which are often symbolically associated with Satan and other devilish stuff). I can see them braying, "THERE!!! SEE, SEE?!?! THE QUEERS ARE DEVIL SPAWN!!! THEY'RE JUST LIKE SATAN'S HOOVEN DEMONS!!!" Yes, I know, sheep are not goats, but everyone knows that passionate people don't let the facts get in the way of their opinions...
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    I never knew there was homosexuality in goats...

    Hmm, learn something new every day.

    This is an interesting discovery, I wonder what it will lead to?
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    • #3
      Absolutely nothing, since we've already known homosexuality and bisexuality appear all the time in nature on their own.

      It's only in man's Religious society that they don't think it's natural.
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      • #4
        There is some specie of fly that uses homosexuality as part of breeding. The first male will inseminate the female, and then emit female pharomones (sp?) to attract other males to mate with it instead of the female.
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        • #5
          If homosexuality is biological, however, a "cure" could conceivably be invented in the future. Not that I think homosexuality needs to be cured, but I'm relatively sure that many parents would jump at the chance...
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          • #6
            Gay kids are just so much more respectful though.
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            • #7
              "It's only in man's Religious society that they don't think it's natural."

              Something happening in nature doesn't automatically make it natural. Goats and sheep can do some pretty unnatural things too.
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              • #8
                Something happening in nature doesn't automatically make it natural.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Boddington's

                  Something happening in nature doesn't automatically make it natural.
                  This makes perfect sense to me.

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                  • #10
                    I suppose that this study is laying the foundation for declaring homosexuals mentally ill.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jimmytrick
                      I suppose that this study is laying the foundation for declaring homosexuals mentally ill.
                      Well, the American Psychological Association changed its position on homosexuality being a mental illness just in the past twenty years or so. Wouldn't suprise me if the ultra-conservatives start pushing for a re-reversal of the APA's position based on this and future studies sure to follow...
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                      • #12
                        Much animal males 'sodomise' other males of the group to show their superiority above them. It used to happen in old civilizations as well, that the king 'sodomized' new slaves to show his power above them.

                        We can have a cute discussion on how human homosexuality compares to this behavior
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                        • #13
                          Wouldn't suprise me if the ultra-conservatives start pushing for a re-reversal of the APA's position based on this and future studies sure to follow...


                          Why be mad at people who want to study the possibility of mental illness behind homosexuality?
                          It's like you want to forbid other opinions, and want to close any scientific research that might come with other conclusions than the one you prefer.

                          If they want to study it, let them study it. It's their right, and it's the only way science can work.

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                          • #14
                            I would say belief in a supreme being who apparently sacrificed his own son and sets out a set of rules in a contradictory 2000 year old book is more of an indication of mental illness
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                            • #15
                              Cool TheStinger! it's about time someone trowed in that amazing original argument to hijack the thread!

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