the United States of Europe

[Frankychan]

Maybe Canada, US, and Mexico should unite and become the North American Alliance.

[Frankychan]

I don't think that USE thing would happen tho, the UK and the USA have one of the strongest/closest bonds in the current world.....well, seeing as how the US IS a relative of the UK.

[Roland]

"because we don't wnat to be run by a corrupt usless organisation that sacks you if you speak out aginst fraud and corruption."

Most corruption regarding EU funds happens at the national level.

"We don't want to subzidise olive grove and tobacco framers"

You just prefer we subsidize your beef framers (framer not being too wrong there). Just the usual fight over interests.

"and we don't want you stealing our pension funds."

Darling how can I possibly steal your pension fund ?

"We like our system of common law."

I like it too. And the problem with the EU there is close to nil.

"We agree with free trade and not propping up ailing industries."

Like Rover.

"We want to be able to not to automatically disagree with the US."

WHAT !?!? You're nuts.

[TheStinger]

In a united states of europe, there will be a problem with pensions in that there isn't adequate provison in most countries. Britain is rare in that a large number of people have non state provison therefore our taxes are lower. Our taxes will have to go up to meet pension demand this is in effect a tax on the fact we have large pension funds and therefore theft.

Subsidies to British farmers are as a result of the CAP if there aws no CAP British farmers would get even less,

Rover got about £30 in aid, in France or Germany the government would ahve bought it with tax payers money and hen pumped billions in.

The corruption may happen at national level, it should be stopped, its my taxes going to the mafia in Italy, there is no will at either european or national level to stop it.

If the EU had a common foreign policy it would often disagree with the US as it would be controlled by the French

[Roland]

"In a united states of europe, there will be a problem with pensions in that there isn't adequate provison in most countries."

No need to regulate pensions at the EU level.

"Rover got about £30 in aid"

They got a lot more. Clearly more than say Holzmann.

"there is no will at either european or national level to stop it."

There is. The cofunding principle, OLAF and new payback rules have made a lot of progress.

"If the EU had a common foreign policy it would often disagree with the US as it would be controlled by the French"

First it has a common foreign policy on many issues, and second France has just its votes - no single country can simply control it.

[Roland]

Funny thing is that the Rover subsidies (as well as those for Holzmann) ran into trouble with EU state aid rules.

http://www.expressindia.com/fe/daily/19990628/fec28058.html

[TheStinger]

I should have said £30 mil in aid.

The EU wants a common foreign policy with no veto option.

I am disagreeing with a united sates of europe or specificaly Britains participation. In a united europe the centre will take more and more control of decision making, it is already happening. Look at the powers of the commission now comprared to 1973

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Roland
Funny thing is that the Rover subsidies (as well as those for Holzmann) ran into trouble with EU state aid rules.

http://www.expressindia.com/fe/daily.../fec28058.html

A one off subsidy for an ailing company isn't too bad, its when the state owns the company and can then constantly inject capital that is wrong. The big countries get away with this more than little ones. see Sabina and Air France

[Roland]

The rover package as suggested by the UK government was at least 150 million pounds.

"Look at the powers of the commission now comprared to 1973"

Ehm... what do you think I'll find ?

"its when the state owns the company and can then constantly inject capital that is wrong."

Like Railtrack.

"The big countries get away with this more than little ones. see Sabina and Air France"

Sabena was a lot less competitive than Air France. Anyway, AF is set for privatization. And on the state aid rules, big member states don't get a special break.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by TheStinger
I am disagreeing with a united sates of europe or specificaly Britains participation.

Oh, I'm sure the rest of the EU can do without the Britons. The question is, can the UK on the long run do without the EU?

In a united europe the centre will take more and more control of decision making, it is already happening. Look at the powers of the commission now comprared to 1973

Ain't it nice to see things develop?

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph


Oh, I'm sure the rest of the EU can do without the Britons. The question is, can the UK on the long run do without the EU?

YES

[Pekka]

We don't need your stinking EU! We are fed up with carrying the third world economies in Europe. We have hard taxation as it is, we don't need you, get out of here you communists. It's even worse with UK. I mean Britons.. what do you get? What do you give? Think about it.

Only thing good in EU is that I can travel and work etc. easily in other countries. There are like 10000 politicians working, deciding whether standard cell phone should be 7cm long and 4 wide.

United States of Europe? Yeaaaah sureee.. What a brilliant idea! Then we can really accomplish nothing because we like to fight each other. Then we can get TUrkey to join us, and it's nice, because they can torture me as much as they want, and it could be constitutional... if we want to bring something from their society (joke).
Stop this crap spreading, this is dangerous. I will fight this to the bitter end.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Roland
The rover package as suggested by the UK government was at least 150 million pounds.

"Look at the powers of the commission now comprared to 1973"

Ehm... what do you think I'll find ?

"its when the state owns the company and can then constantly inject capital that is wrong."

Like Railtrack.

"The big countries get away with this more than little ones. see Sabina and Air France"

Sabena was a lot less competitive than Air France. Anyway, AF is set for privatization. And on the state aid rules, big member states don't get a special break.

Railtrack was rubbish, it was a mistake a mistake rectified by the british government.

Rover got some aid in the form of tax breaks as well as grants in any case I am not saying that it was right to do that. However many companies are up aginst state owned competitors and this is unfair. IIRC VW is 40% by the local government.

I don't want the EU to have any further powers they keep expanding their remit and I personally think this should stop

[Roland]

"However many companies are up aginst state owned competitors and this is unfair. IIRC VW is 40% by the local government."

And if they subsidise the company they have EU state aid rules around their neck. Without the EU, what do you suggest ? tariffs ?

"I don't want the EU to have any further powers they keep expanding their remit and I personally think this should stop"

Perfectly acceptable opinion to have. Just wonder why you have to accompany it with falsehoods and halftruths ?

[Al'Kimiya]

United States of Europe -> United Earth -> Federation of Planets