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US soldiers that bombed Canadians honored as heroes
If you have a link to the preceedings of an enquiry please post it. Otherwise, you're just flappin your lips over something most of you know nothing about.
The pilot was told to wait, but he didn't. He violated standing orders that were designed to prevent these accidents. Based on the information that has been released, he didn't have any need to break the orders.
However, according to a leak transcript of the radio transmission, he was cleared to bomb moments after he pulled the trigger.
So, if he hadn't been so trigger happy, he wouldn't be in so much sh!t.
There have been two investigations, but most of the facts have not been released. We don't know why the AWAC cleared the pilot to bomb. The AWAC should have been told about the training exercise.
The investigating officers said the pilots should have known about the training exercise, but it was never said whether the pilots did know about it.
This looks like the pilots are being set up as scapegoats.
However, the pilot dropped a bomb. The pilot is ultimately responsible for ensuring that he gets all the information that he requires before a flight. It may not be fair that he gets screwed because someone didn't tell him about the exercise, but that's the life of a pilot.
What bothers me is there is no indication that the American or Canadian military have tried to learn from this accident.
As for the Governor, he's being a complete idiot. Sure, he has to stay loyal to his men, but as the commander-in-chief of the Illinois National Guard he also has to show loyalty to the military investigators and uphold the legal system.
Originally posted by SpencerH
If you have a link to the preceedings of an enquiry please post it. Otherwise, you're just flappin your lips over something most of you know nothing about.
EDIT This isnt directed and any individual
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Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Mostly because our troops are the ones who actually fight.
Oh come on, you know better than that. Apart from all our special force involvement our Tornadoes took on the most dangerous ground attack missions on the runways and our armoured units attacked into Iraq the same as yours did.
Don't change the facts just to respond to troll with troll. If there's any nation the US can't criticise for not fighting it's the UK, mores the pity.
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Yeah, HARR HARR HARR. We are your cannon fodder *****.
Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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Actually Mike, I happen to feel very strongly about this - even in peacetime the American military is blowing significant numbers of allied soldiers and civilians away on a regular basis...
What happened to the pilots of that jet that sent those civilians plunging to their deaths in a cable car in Italy?
Perhaps some of that huge defence budget of theirs could be spent to set up some kind of 'Armaments Anonymous' for trigger-happy servicemen before they actually kill people?
C'mon MtG - I'm still waiting for your smart arsed replies to what is a serious subject. It's not going to go away despite how hard to try to insult America's allies for their aid...
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Originally posted by Asher
Regular basis? You're not very regular, are you?
Well the Artillery and cable car incidents are from the last year or so for a start...
Also incidents such as the Canadian exercise deaths and Afghan Marriage Massacre occurred after general hostilities had ceased - although in an albeit still hostile territory...
NATO has nothing to do with this. Afghanistan is not within the specified area of concern for NATO
I refer you to the North Atlantic treaty, where it specifies an attack on a NATO nation in "North America, Western Europe, and Algeria"(which, once upon a time, was part of France)
Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
The cable car thing was way more than a year ago, I think it's more like five years.
And the Wedding thing and the Canadian one aren't "peacetime".
Sorry, I don't think "regular" cuts it.
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you know, these pilots that were PROVEN to be guilty of dereliction of duty SHOULD be punished. The governor of Illinois can KMA (you can tell him that).
So you know these guys, so what? Ok, what if your friend hit someone with his car while drunk and the person died? Is that not manslaughter either? F*** you man! These pilots are guilty of their bombing of Canadian armed forces members (our allies, mind you) and just because their OUR pilots doesn't give them a "Do Anything You Want" pass.
They gotta answer to their "mistakes" and pay the piper. Go Canada.....one American is supporting you guys!
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My bad if I sound like I'm ranting! Just letting some steam off....
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"...but what sane person would move from Hawaii to Indiana?" -Dis
The thing I don't get is that both the pilot and the AWAC seem to have decided (if the leaked transcript is correct) on the basis of unidentified ground fire to just bomb something. How did they know those weren't American special forces down there? It was ground fire, not directed at the plane, so how could they not think that SOMEBODY on their side was likely down there fighting?
It just seems insane to drop a bomb on a firefight that doesn't threaten you when your own guys could be involved.
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