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    Fundraiser held for 'friendly-fire' pilots

    The two U.S. pilots being blamed for the deaths of Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan were hailed as heroes Wednesday night at a fundraising dinner in their honour in Illinois.

    More than 400 people came to the $50-a-person event in honour of Maj. Harry Schmidt and Maj. William Umbach. The two men face six-figure legal bills as they fight charges of involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault and dereliction of duty.

    The charges stem from the accidental bombing last April of Canadian troops from Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry. The troops were conducting a live-fire training exercise in Afghanistan when Schmidt dropped a 225-kilogram bomb on what he thought was hostile fire.

    Four Canadian soldiers were killed and eight injured.

    Both the Canadian and the joint Canada-U.S. inquiry into the bombing accused Schmidt and Umbach, who were flying a routine mission over southern Afghanistan at the time, of not following procedure before dropping the bomb. The pilots say they weren't told about the Canadian training exercise in the area that night.

    On Wednesday night, Illinois Gov. George Ryan put his full support behind the two pilots, who are members of the Illinois Air National Guard's 183rd Fighter Wing.

    "I know these two fellows and I know their wives. They're not people who commit manslaughter," Ryan said, speaking outside his official residence. "They didn't do this on purpose. They're solid, sound citizens.

    "They're not cowboys."

    It seems some Canadians have also given the pilots their support in the form of donations to their defence fund. Some came with the message: "Drop the charges."

    "It shouldn't destroy more lives," says fundraiser John Russo.

    Schmidt and Umbach face a military trial at the Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana late this year or early next year. An Article 32 hearing will determine if the charges will be pursued. For now, they have been reassigned to desk duty.

    The two men have not commented publicly on the charges against them. However, family members have.

    Schmidt's wife, Lisa, said in a recent interview her husband was "in shock" and "struggling" with grief the day of the accident. She said she fears that her husband, along with his flight lead Umbach, will spend the rest of his life in jail.

    "Don't put them in jail. Don't charge them as criminals. Don't tell them they're criminals when they didn't do a criminal act," she said.

    On Thursday, Canada AM will have an exclusive interview with Umbach's brother, Bob.



    Discuss.

  • #2
    Of course they didn't do it intentionally...if they did it intentionally it'd be murder instead of manslaughter, wouldn't it?

    The idea behind punishing these pilots is to try to ensure people in the future are far more careful about who they drop their bombs on, perhaps even followinng procedure.

    Praising them as heroes disgusts me, though, and I do still think they need to be punished.

    Now I'm going to get the hell out of this thread before Tingkai comes in blasting anti-American rhetoric and starting typical flamewars.
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    • #3
      A sad story indeed.

      I think the military is saying that it was more than a mistake. What that article does not say, that I have heard on Canadian news, is that the pilot(s) ignored orders not to fire.

      If so, hang 'em. If not then...

      That is a question for a court to decide.
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      • #4
        Hopefully he won't have an easy time of it; it's pretty clear that the only people saying this are the friends and family of the pilots, and local politicians seeing an easy ticket.

        The rest of us aren't saying anything like this.

        edit: "he" refering to Tingkai.
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        • #5
          Actually MM, there are Canadians contributing to the defence fund. Veterans in particular from what I've heard.

          I think they are questioning the second guessing. I'm not sure though, since the story is relatively fresh.
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          • #6
            All I can say is that it would be sad if these people got stiffer sentences than those responsible for My Lai.
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            • #7
              That's true, nye. It's probably best to wait in any case.

              Asher:
              All I can say is that it would be sad if these people got stiffer sentences than those responsible for My Lai.
              ...and you were worried about Tingkai?
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              • #8
                I'm usually strong against the death penalty, but string these bastards up.
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                • #9
                  The world is already convinced that Americans lack anything like a sense of responsibility; that we can do whatever the hell we want, and if the result is tragic, or criminal -- well, hey, that's not out fault. Because nothing is ever our fault.

                  This certainly doesn't help, does it?

                  As an American, as an erstwhile son of Illinois, I'm profoundly embarrassed. Sorry, Canada.
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                  • #10
                    "I know these two fellows and I know their wives. They're not people who commit manslaughter," Ryan said, speaking outside his official residence. "They didn't do this on purpose. They're solid, sound citizens.
                    Someone should remind this piece of sh*t exactly what manslaughter is!!!

                    All I can say is that it would be sad if these people got stiffer sentences than those responsible for My Lai.
                    Oh, so you want this to be covered up and swept under the carpet like My Lai???

                    No these two need to be made an example of specifically because there are too many examples of US friendly fire down the years!

                    US military forces need to know that they can't simply shoot the hell out of everything that moves and get away scot free!

                    Sorry if I sound harsh, but I am still very aware of the fact that the Americans killed more British soldiers in the Gulf War than the Iraqis did!!!

                    That's why the US doesn't want to sign the International War Crimes bill - they know their armed forces are just too goddamned trigger happy!
                    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                    • #11
                      MOBIUS: Take some goddamned medication.
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                      • #12
                        It's good to see the fire of conviction.

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                        • #13
                          "Fire of Conviction"?

                          Really, you give him ENTIRELY too much credit.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #14
                            This is not the first day you know him, he always does this
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                            • #15
                              Yes, my diagnosis, after long-term observation, is that he needs medical help.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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