Up to 700 people believed to be held hostage in Moscow

[Serb]

Latest news,
The embassies of Great Britain and Germany admited that there are citizens of Great Britain and Germany among hostages. Total number is unknown.
Also, embassy of Austria admited that one Austrian women is among hostages.
No info about Americans among hostages. Tass I hope it will helps you somehow.
The patients of nearby hospital and people who live in nearby houses were evacuated. There are BMP on the streets. Still nothing known about negotiations, terrorists shot down all mobile phones of hostages.
Just saw interview with representative of Chechens who live in Moscow. He said that people who did this, made all Chechens who live in Moscow to feel guilty. And that about 1000 Chechens already said that they are ready to become hostages in exchange for realise of childrens.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
Serb, if you want to refute his arguments fine, but that kind of garbage you typed is absolutely out of line and only makes you look like an ass.

arguments?

What would you expected from me? That I will engage in disscusion about propagandistic crap of terrorists you like to buy. You prefer to beleive to terrorists then to official representatives of government. Fine I'll guess you'll never learn.
Just try to understand my outrage when while hundreds of my fellow countryman including many children are took hostages, I hear that one moron is saying -"it's your own fault, you bloody Russian murders"
It's the same if I appeared here on Apolyton at Sept 11 and start to shout- "that it's your own fault you dirty American butchers."

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Serb
What would you expected from me?

Oh, to behave by the rules of the forum and disagree more respectfully without resulting to childish name calling?

That I will engage in disscusion about propagandistic crap of terrorists you like to buy. You prefer to beleive to terrorists then to official representatives of government. Fine I'll guess you'll never learn.

I never said I bought or believed what he said, but nice try to paint it that way...

Just try to understand my outrage when while hundreds of my fellow countryman including many children are took hostages, I hear that one moron is saying -"it's your own fault, you bloody Russian murders" It's the same if I appeared here on Apolyton at Sept 11 and start to shout- "that it's your own fault you dirty American butchers."

I don't think Sonic was saying the people deserved to be hostages--he didn't even say the Chenenyans where justified. He simply said that, given his perspective on events in Chenenya, it was not a surprise.

By the same token, when one reflects on Sept. 11th, the actions of the terrorists where indeed not surprising. That doesn't legitimize or excuse their actions. But I won't blind myself to anger over American actions abroad, either, which must be acknowledged.

There's a real high horse you need to get off of, son.

[Felch]

Originally posted by Serb
TV just said that president of US made a declaration about the situation. He said that Americans are praying for hostages and that nothing can't justify such actions.
Thanks for support Americans.

I actually agree with Serb on a lot of what he says for once. But with this, I wonder. Is he being sarcastic?

[notyoueither]

Actually... I read Sonic's post and then plugged my ears waiting for the boom.

Seriously. This is about some hundreds of innocent civilians and a bunch of thugs who decided that they would be the targets of the terror.

Any kind of comment that attempts to understand or explain such acts tends to veer a bit towards blaming the victims. The victims do not make the policy.

When it comes to terrorism, it ain't about the government of the victims. It's about the victims of terrorism themselves. There is no excuse, there is no reason good enough to justify it.

[Eli]

Originally posted by Sirotnikov
Btw, how would you think Sayeret Matkal / Duvdevan/ Gideonim / Yamam would handle this?

Duvdevan and the Gideonim aren't really qualified for that job. They have some training for these operations, but nothing close to what the Sayeret or the Yamam get.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Actually... I read Sonic's post and then plugged my ears waiting for the boom.

Seriously. This is about some hundreds of innocent civilians and a bunch of thugs who decided that they would be the targets of the terror.

Any kind of comment that attempts to understand or explain such acts tends to veer a bit towards blaming the victims. The victims do not make the policy.

When it comes to terrorism, it ain't about the government of the victims. It's about the victims of terrorism themselves. There is no excuse, there is no reason good enough to justify it.

I completly agree with you. You can't justify a terrorist action when its against innocent civilians...You just can't.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Felch X


I actually agree with Serb on a lot of what he says for once. But with this, I wonder. Is he being sarcastic?

No. I was not.
Terrrorism is modern threat to all world. If American president is saying that he and American people are praying for hostages held in Russia, there is nothing I could do except to thank him and Americans for their support and understanding.
Thank you again.

Latest news,
Embassador of Australia is come to HQ of secret services near theater. TV news says it proves that Australian citizens are among the hostages.
Also they says that embassy of Netherlands admited that Netherland's citizen is among hostages. TV says that aproximately 20 foreign citizens could still be in theater.
Several minutes ago one of the news chanels (almost all TV chanels show the situation on-line) said that they heard sound of explosion inside of the theater. They suggest it was grenade. They suggest that more probably it was acident, not the beggining of speznaz operation. Still terrorists don't call to officials to begin negotiations. No calls from hostages too, more probably their phones were took from them by terrorists.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Oh, to behave by the rules of the forum and disagree more respectfully without resulting to childish name calling?



I never said I bought or believed what he said, but nice try to paint it that way...



I don't think Sonic was saying the people deserved to be hostages--he didn't even say the Chenenyans where justified. He simply said that, given his perspective on events in Chenenya, it was not a surprise.

By the same token, when one reflects on Sept. 11th, the actions of the terrorists where indeed not surprising. That doesn't legitimize or excuse their actions. But I won't blind myself to anger over American actions abroad, either, which must be acknowledged.

There's a real high horse you need to get off of, son.

After September 11, we gave American posters a lot of slack to "express" how they felt about the situation, especially in response to any idiocy, trolling, etc. Considering the magnitude of the situation in Moscow, I figure Serb and any other Russian posters deserves the same degree of slack.

We can discuss dismounting from horses another time.

Keep us posted, Serb, when you have time.

[Alexander's Horse]

lend em a cruise missile.

[notyoueither]

They have their own missiles.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
They have their own missiles.

Yeah - rusting away.

[notyoueither]

I'm sure they could scrape together one or two serviceable examples.

[Gatekeeper]

The last I read on the raw news wires at work ... the Chechens are giving Russian seven days to comply with their demands ... or they blow up the theater. Hmm ... going on memory alone here (I'm at home now) ... but I think that's what the alert said.

Gatekeeper

[notyoueither]

I don't think it will go according to the thugs' agenda.

They are not dealing with a bunch of liberal neer-do-wells.