BBC Sport rapes history

[MarkG]

Originally posted by TheStinger
That does not make Alexander either greek or FYRmac

with the small exception that Alexander's title(one of them anyway) was "King of the Hellenes"(=Greeks)
so unless you questions the greekness of Greeks...

[OneFootInTheGrave]

As I sad Tito was a smart a$$ noone could have predited that, but hey that is history... it works in miracolous ways...

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by MarkG
with the small exception that Alexander's title(one of them anyway) was "Kinf of the Hellenes"(=Greeks)
so unless you questions the greekness of Greeks...

he was greek by 4th cebtury BC standards certainly, what that has to do with 21st century AD Greekness i don't know

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Nevertheless Greece will get to expand its regional influence because of that one day... if it will still matter, and get lots of watermelons cheap

[MarkG]

Tito didnt think of "Macedonia"
the whole thing was started by Bulgarians around 1890....

http://history.macedonia.gr/faq.htm#41

he just progressed the idea...

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by MarkG
Tito didnt think of "Macedonia"
the whole thing was started by Bulgarians around 1890....
http://history.macedonia.gr/faq.htm#41

Its just one big Balkan conspiracy isn't it

[MarkG]

Originally posted by TheStinger
he was greek by 4th cebtury BC standards certainly, what that has to do with 21st century AD Greekness i don't know

so you are questioning my connections with my ancient ancestors??

/me open the forums admin area

[Dauphin]

If you go back that far I'm sure a lot of FYROMians are descended from Greek stock.

Same as a lot of Europeans are descended from Roman Citizens to some extent.

[MikeH]

He was king of Macedonia first.

No-one in England will remember that article by the time we're reading about the two famous people to come from Lichenstein anyway.

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by MarkG
it's wasnt some sort of accident but politics

1921 Yugoslavia census

Ethnic   composition   (in  thousands,     percentages)
Serbs+Croats             8,946               74.4 
Slovenes		 1,024                8.5  
Other  Slavs               174                1.5 
Germans                    513                4.3 
Hungarians                 472                3.9 
Albanians                  441                3.7
Romanian                   229                1.9
Italians                    12                0.1                
Others 	                   201                1.7

1948 Yugoslavia censues

 	(in   thousands)
Serbs        6,547    
Croats       3,784 
Slovenes     1,415
"Macedonians"  809
Mavrovounians  425
(Montenegrians)
Muslims        808

it's a miracle! a new nationality just happened to pop-up

where did the macedonians come from then?

the montenegrians and muslims just happened to pop up too (I guess they were counted as serbs and serbs/croats in 1921)

and where did the hungarians go, there are still lots of them in Serbia (Vojvodina?).

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by MarkG
so you are questioning my connections with my ancient ancestors??

* MarkG open the forums admin area

With some trepidation I would reply that you are definitley Greek, so it doesn't actually matter who your ancestors were.

Some of them were almost certainly from Ancient Greece, some were not my point is that it doesn't matter.

[MarkG]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
where did the macedonians come from then?

the montenegrians and muslims just happened to pop up too (I guess they were counted as serbs and serbs/croats in 1921)

and where did the hungarians go, there are still lots of them in Serbia (Vojvodina?).

i cant where everyone went but here's some info
http://history.macedonia.gr/faq.htm#21

[Gangerolf]

That article was a bit confusing and maybe slightly biased, but I think it says that the FYROMians (Macedonian Slavs) are Bulgarians and Bulgarian-speaking Greeks.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Oh poor Macedonias, tell them that they are Bulgarians and they'd burn you if they could

[DinoDoc]

What is it with the Greek obsession that Macedonia must be named FYROM? It's rather odd.