I'm an American tired of American lies

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Chris 62
The CIA got Saddam elected?

That's a new one.

You know damn well that Hussein was on the CIA payroll in the 1960s. In 1963 when the Baathists first came to power, the CIA gave Hussein a list of 5,000 leftists and sympathyzers. They all ended up dead. This made Hussein a big man. Tthough the regime fell within a few years, they came back to power in '69, and Hussein was by then one of the leaders of the Baathist Party. Ten years later he took sole power.

The CIA helped Hussein to power, just as Harrelson wrote.

[Chris 62]

Marcos, the US can take a guilty plea on, the US helped that guy stay in charge for years, Noriega betrayed the US, told us one thing and did another.

Oh, and One Foot, you should look in the mirror to see the gullible one.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by DanS
Oh, I see. Yes, if that is the interesting part, then the crucial part is the "Saddam is our boy", which is false.

"The CIA helped him to power, as they did the Shah of Iran and Noriega and Marcos and the Taliban and countless other brutal tyrants."

We didn't help the Taliban to power. This is a patently false statement. We were uninvolved in Afghanistan for half a decade before the Taliban were even formed.

Don't know much about Noriega and Marcos. Maybe others do.

I agree with that, Taliban was brought by Pakistan and its secret service, US allies these days though.

[DaShi]

"if even one innocent person died, I couldn't bear it."

That's so Clinton.

[Chris 62]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
You know damn well that Hussein was on the CIA payroll in the 1960s. In 1963 when the Baathists first came to power, the CIA gave Hussein a list of 5,000 leftists and sympathyzers. They all ended up dead. This made Hussein a big man. Tthough the regime fell within a few years, they came back to power in '69, and Hussein was by then one of the leaders of the Baathist Party. Ten years later he took sole power.

I know no such thing, and the fun part is, neither do you Che.
Ol saddam was never our animal.

The CIA helped Hussein to power, just as Harrelson wrote.

Pure bull.

[TheStinger]

The guardian is a paper for middle class, lentil munching sandel wearing ex hippies who moan about the state of the country and world whilst actually being very comfortable.

The paper hates America and is pro anything that is anti american.

Its sports section is rubbish too

It is also legendary for its bad spelling.(not that i can talk)

[DanS]

Originally posted by DaShi

That's so Clinton.

That's a classic line. Just classic.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Originally posted by Chris 62

Oh, and One Foot, you should look in the mirror to see the gullible one.

Ah well that is always the question, is it you or me or both

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DanS
We didn't help the Taliban to power. This is a patently false statement. We were uninvolved in Afghanistan for half a decade before the Taliban were even formed.

Don't know much about Noriega and Marcos. Maybe others do.

We didn't help the Taliban to power directly, but we created a situation in which they came to power. But I wouldn't say we helped them to power.

Noriega was on the CIA since 1969, and when the Panamian dictator, Torrijos, was killed in a plane crash in 1981, Noreiga was part of the ruling junta. Within two years he managed to become sole dictator. He was on the CIA payroll the whole time. Noreiga and the CIA were both named as coconspirators in Torrijos' "assassination" but nothing has ever been proven.

I can't find any sources that say that Marcos was aided by the CIA prior to his assention to power. Marcos declared himself president for life some time in the 1960s and would have been a valuable asset. The CIA was heavily involved in the anti-Huk war (which has never really ended) in the Philippines in the 1940s and 50s.

So all three of the cases Harelson mentioned, the CIA was only obliquely involved.

[MikeH]

The sports section is excellent!

That is a terribly biased view of the paper although it is very left wing which is great.

[walruskkkch]

How old is Saddam? He was contacted by the CIA 40 years ago? Good that we go after those future dictators when they are youngins.

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by MikeH
The sports section is excellent!

That is a terribly biased view of the paper although it is very left wing which is great.

It does do good put downs of bad tv programmes though, although they copied that from the independant

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Here I found some details for troubled CIA-Saddam relationship, just a few quotes

Feeling trapped (like Hitler felt when he was thrown out of the downsized German army after World War I), Saddam turned violent. Although he had not yet reached 21 years of age, young Saddam took out a top ally of Iraq's then-militaristic leader Abdel Karim Qassim.

After the assassination, Saddam fled to Egypt, where he remained between 1959 and 1963. He was reportedly first recruited by the CIA while living in exile in Egypt. At that time, Saddam made many visits to the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, even though he was on the run for having tried to assassinate Iraq's head of state.

In 1968, Saddam's Ba'ath party wing took power in Iraq. Immediately, the CIA gave Saddam a list of communists inside Iraq. Working with Saddam made sense to the CIA on two important levels. Number one, he was not an Islamic fundamentalist along the lines of the Iranian ayatollahs. Secondly, he was not a communist and perhaps was an anti-communist.

Yet, like Pol Pot, Saddam found an ally in the Soviet dictator Stalin. In Baghdad, he even has a library with every book ever written on Stalin. Like Pol Pot, Saddam turned more than a few royal palaces into torture chambers. Like the famous S-21 prison in Phnom Penh, Saddam personally controlled the torture facility/royal palace known as the "Palace of the End."

By 1973, Saddam was vice president of Iraq. In the summer of 1979, in his early forties, Saddam become the ruler of Iraq, a nation rich in both water and oil resources. And Saddam's relationship with the CIA continued through the Iran-Iraq War. During that struggle, "The Company" furnished him with top-flight intelligence on the actions of the Iranian military. As the Iran-Contra affair unfolded, Saddam came to the realization that the CIA was playing both sides of the fence in the conflict.

What about that?

[Roland]

Haven't heard of Saddam's supposed CIA conncetion before either.

Source ?

[MikeH]

For the record I have never worn sandles and I only eat lentils in curries with meat.