It is done...Dutch right wing governement collapses

[Saint Marcus]

Dutch right wing governement collapses

and it's about goddamn time!

they set a record though, they were in power for just 87 days, the shortest period since WW2.

So this mean we'll get new elections in januari 2003.



I'm so happy

[Bereta_Eder]

you start looking like italy

[chequita guevara]

[Clear Skies]

Link here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2333075.stm

Makes you wonder how long the German coalition will last...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2331857.stm

[Anodyne]

Hahaa!

[DinoDoc]

Now you only have to do it a few more times before Italy can finally hold its head up high.

[Zopperoni]

Re: It is done...Dutch right wing governement collapses

Originally posted by Saint Marcus
So this mean we'll get new elections in januari 2003.

According to NRC/Handelsblad, there will be elections on either December 11th or December 18th.

[Saint Marcus]

oh, and for those who think liberal and conservative are opposites, read the BBC article provided by CS.

"the conservative Liberal VVD party"

[Saint Marcus]

According to NRC/Handelsblad, there will be elections on either December 11th or December 18th.

That's technically not possible (probably). Politicians (and TV) report that the likely date for new elections will be sometime in Januari, most likely the 8th.

[Solly]

It's January.

[Urban Ranger]

On the Net, it is considered very bad form to pick on somebody else's spelling and grammar.

[Robert]

I liked the governament, Balkenende is a good Prime Minister, but I like it to have new elections as well, since it seems like we, CDA, will get another 8 seats (so far in the polls)

AND we will face a huge amound of new parties, all splitted of from the LPF. (The List Pim Fortuyn)

we're going to have a New List Pim Fortuyn
And of course a Real List Pim Fortuyn and all that.

[Saint Marcus]

On the Net, it is considered very bad form to pick on somebody else's spelling and grammar.

Spink has no ethics.

I liked the governament, Balkenende is a good Prime Minister, but I like it to have new elections as well, since it seems like we, CDA, will get another 8 seats (so far in the polls)

everyone seems to rise CDA, PvdA, VVD, Groenlinks, SP are all up in the polls. LPF and D66 are down. LN depends on the poll (either stay at 2 seats, or fall to 1). ChristenUnie and SGP are both staying the same at 4 and 2.

Anyway, Balkenende isn't that good a PM. For the past 3 months, he hasn't been a very good leader dealing with the issues in the LPF. And it was his responsability. After all, problems in the LPF reflected badly on the reputation of the governement, and the PM is responsable for keeping that reputation high. Balkenende should have intervened earlier, or should ended this coalition at least a month ago.

Zalm did pretty well though. I already knew for some time that he was going to blow this thing up. He's a very good politician (though he doesn't quite play fair). I may not like his party, or the man himself, but he's without doubt the best politician (take it as a compliment or an insult) we have in this country.

[Robert]

LPF and D66 are down

the days of D66 are finally over. I hate the party.
After Van Mierlo left, they only got left over a bunch of idiots with too large ego's.

Anyway, Balkenende isn't that good a PM. For the past 3 months, he hasn't been a very good leader dealing with the issues in the LPF.

I think nobody could have dealed with this issue, not even Ruud Lubbers. Bonhoff and Heinsbroek came into the cabinet only to fullfill their own ego's. Nothing could have helped the LPF party.

Whatever Balkenende would have done, people would have told him that he was to blame. If he wuoldn't have formed a cabinet with LPF people would have said he didn't take his responsibility. Now he did form a cabinet with them, he's blamed for not being capable to control the fights in the LPF party.

I think Balkenende did as most damage control as he could, he has been damaged indeed, but there was no way for him to not be damaged. Which is a sad thing for such a to be respected person.

Balkenende should have intervened earlier, or should ended this coalition at least a month ago.

Even earlier than this?
He should have ended the coalition before it's formation in that case

If he would have ended it 1 month ago, people would have claimed there were no problems in the cabinet, but only in the LPF. And people would have told him he should give the LPF some time.

He couldn't have ended it earlier. Of course with the knowledge of the the after........

but he's without doubt the best politician (take it as a compliment or an insult) we have in this country.

Zalm is a very good debater. That's true. I think people like Balkenende, who's indeed not such a good debater, are equal politicians though. They just have capabilities on different issues. I think it's good to have a new CDA-VVD cabinet after the elections.

The opposition is truely a wrackage. The PvdA doesn't even have a leader, Thom de Graaf will just lose half of his seats again. The only opposition party I respect (eventhough I disagree with them ) is the SP.

Marijnnese is a nice and respectfull man.

[Robert]

Why are we discussing this in English?
As if any english speaking person is interested

Ming, is it ok if we discuss this in dutch?