Will it come down to us v.s. them?

[Felch]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Terrorism is a complex issue. First of all, it's not always caused by religious (Spain) or racial problem problems (Northern Ireland). Secondly, I am not sure whether it is born out of hate. I don't think it is. Thirdly, a lot of the crap is a direct consequence of US foreign policy - how could one fight terrorism without removing the major cause is way beyond me.

Terrorism isn't an issue, it's a method. Terrorism is like guerilla warfare - it's meant to be the poor man's way of rendering a powerful army useless. It's risky, and it doesn't give immediate results, but if done properly it's almost impossible to combat.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lars-E
Gangerolf, OBL is not poor.

That's true, but you make the mistake of assuming that a person becomes a terrorist because of something that happens to them personally, rather than because of the misery they see around them. People become crusaders not for themselves, but for others. It is the poverty and misery in the Islamic world, which drives them to committ terror against those they perceive as responsible.

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

It is the poverty and misery in the Islamic world, which drives them to committ terror against those they perceive as responsible.

why can't they see that it's their own culture that makes them poor?

[chequita guevara]

Because it isn't.

[Lars-E]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That's true, but you make the mistake of assuming that a person becomes a terrorist because of something that happens to them personally, rather than because of the misery they see around them. People become crusaders not for themselves, but for others. It is the poverty and misery in the Islamic world, which drives them to committ terror against those they perceive as responsible.

I didn't assuming anything. Just said he was not poor in reply to Gangerolf who listed poverty as a reason for terrorism. I think there can be several reasons, but I haven't stated one yet in this thread.

[chequita guevara]

Gangerolf said poverty was a cause, you said OBL wasn't poor, implying that poverty was not a cause of OBL's terrorism, when in fact it is. It is the poverty of other Arabs that drives OBL to wage war on the US (among other reasons).

[Lars-E]

Did he say that?

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Because it isn't.

well, I would think that discrimination of women (half the working force) has certain economic implications.

[David Floyd]

where?

I believe the Bible said this around the area where it speaks about Jacob stealing Esau's birthright.

I'd have to check for sure, though, but I do know it's in there.

[Lars-E]

I saw OBL on tv once stating that the word of the Qur'an was not respected in many parts of the world. This seems to be one reasons for his actions, I've heard a commentator say.

I'm not so sure he's the noble guy you seem to think, chegitz. Fighting for the poor and oppressed of the world against the evil western world.

[David Floyd]

People become crusaders not for themselves, but for others.

Not really. Most, or at least many, of the crusaders were either in it for the promise of glory and wealth, or were just bored at home, or were the third son in the family and thus expected to join the army.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
well, I would think that discrimination of women (half the working force) has certain economic implications.

It might, if they were suffering from a shortage of labor, which they aren't. There are many reasons for the poverty of the ME, religion and culture aren't among them. Imperialism and the political and economic structures that were set up by imperialism have far more to do with the poverty in their world.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Not really. Most, or at least many, of the crusaders were either in it for the promise of glory and wealth, or were just bored at home, or were the third son in the family and thus expected to join the army.

You know, crusader doesn't soley refer to the Knights of Western Europe who invaded the ME in the 11th to 13th Centuries.

[David Floyd]

Imperialism and the political and economic structures that were set up by imperialism have far more to do with the poverty in their world.

Hmmm. So you argue that some of these states, absent imperialism, would be rich and strong nations today?

Personally, given the size of those countries and their relative lack of natural resources (other than, in some cases, oil and natural gas), I don't really agree.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Lars-E
I'm not so sure he's the noble guy you seem to think, chegitz. Fighting for the poor and oppressed of the world against the evil western world.

I don't think he's noble at all. Don't put words in my mouth.