orange meets Mr. Green himself, Ralph Nader

[orange]

Originally posted by faded glory
My opinion is warped? Im not the one dreaming of a Socialist Green Utopia where we are all holding hands singing songs around a rainbow am I?

No, yours is one where everyone shoots each other and the government's sole responsibility is to stakeout Mosques looking for people with turbans and funny last names.

I'll take my dream over yours anyday.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by faded glory
Im not the one dreaming of a Socialist Green Utopia where we are all holding hands singing songs around a rainbow am I?

I have to think you're the only one dreaming of that. Nader's a socialist only in the Bircher-Libertarian misuse of the word that sees any government constraint on corporations as socialism. He believes in well-regulated capitalism. Don't bother pointing to the GPUSA website. First, Nader isn't a member or either Gree Party, and second, the GPUSA isn't the organization that endorsed him. That was the other Green Party.

[orange]

his website is democracyrights.org I believe, i could be wrong on that

Edit: www.democracyrising.org

[faded glory]

Actually the difference here is that you somehow assume I want to get shot walking down the street. I have been walking the streets where there are more legal gun owners on that street than in all of japan. Ive lived to tell about it havent I?

Whats my dream? why do you care? I want to be left alone. Thats my dream. If the world were as politically enlightened as I am we would have no problems.


"government's sole responsibility is to stakeout Mosques looking for people with turbans and funny last names."

Yup. Especially the ones who think shower's, Old spice and english are for infidels.

[orange]

my mistake

https://www.democracyrising.org

Faded - thanks for confirming that you're a racist

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by faded glory
Whats my dream? why do you care? I want to be left alone. Thats my dream.

So if the government, over which you have some democratic control intrudes, this is a horrible intrusion into your freedom and liberty. If a corporation intrudes, that's just life?

If you live among human beings, and I know I do, then intrusion into your life is what happens. It is normal, it is natural, and it's never going away. Given that state of affairs, I would much prefer to have some sort of input and control on that intrusion, then simply get hosed up the wazoo by corporate thugs, theives, and con artists.

[orange]

it's ok Che. In Faded's world he'll have a gun, and simply blow everyone away.

[faded glory]

"Faded - thanks for confirming that you're a racist "

Nice troll

A great display of your own wit. Calling me a racist. Wish you could of tried harder to talk, but I know it hurts. You know what they say ; a Challenge that goes unanswered constitutes agreement.

glad you agree

[Rasbelin]

If I count the obvious opinions of all those that have stated a support for Nader (I need to include myself too), I would say that he gets a quite large percentage of the crowd here.

Nader (4 in favour) - 33,3 %
Bush or anti Nader (8 in favour) - 66,6 %

So in this thread he gains quite many votes after all.

Anyway, I do support Nader as his message and politics are an alternative to the Republicans and Democrats are IMHO still quite much the same compared to all real alternative parties and the opposition outside the Congress or the Senate. BTW, I also agree with orange that they don't just listen and in my opinion that has to do with the fact that the opposition is quite invisible in larger mediums in USA. Also one thing that I find as a pitty is that most intreviews and comments are asked from Republicans and Democrats, while I would like to hear some alternative voices too. Being in the opposition or as a supporter of some alternative and minority party isn't a shame, unlike some only seem to respect the 2 large parties in USA. Tedious...

[chequita guevara]

Nader would get a lot mor support in a system of proportional representation. However, he acts as a spoiler in a system of voting for the lesser evil so a lot of folks who do support him ended up voting for Gore anyway. Before the election Nader was polling 7%.

[monkspider]

I voted for Nader, if Kansas was neck and neck I probably would have voted Gore (being the pragmatic Commie that I am), but I think Nader is a wonderful individual. He has truly earned the title "The incorruptible Ralph Nader" in my book.
I think it's a great example of how limited our Democracy really is when he was locked out of public debates this past election just because he clashes with the acceptable political dogma in this country. If he were allowed in the debates, he would have wiped the floor with Bush and Gore. He is a very articulate, well-spoken man.

May God bless him and continue to give him the strength to fight the good fight.

[Drake Tungsten]

I wonder if my vote for John Hagelin gave the election to Bush...

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Boshko
Just saying that it would make more sense to put their energy and big-name candidates into local campaigns where they can win and build grass-root support. Nader should go some and run for mayor or something and try to do something productive before wasting the party's efforts on campaigning for protest candidates.

That's a good plan. Choose some place such as NYC or California. Next step will be state governor.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boshko
Just saying that it would make more sense to put their energy and big-name candidates into local campaigns where they can win and build grass-root support. Nader should go some and run for mayor or something and try to do something productive before wasting the party's efforts on campaigning for protest candidates.

The Greens have been doing local campaigns for decades. They are the most successful third party in the US, however, getting above that local level requires more than just running at the local level. Nader's campaigns for the party have raised the visibility of the party, raised the issues of the party, raised the potential of the party. After that last run, the Greens stand a better chance of getting name recognition and doing better both at the tlocal level and at the state level. Unfortunately, they didn't make the 5% threshhold, so they didn't get matching funds. It's not gonna happen next time eithers, since all of Nader's more wishy-washy supports will all vote against Bush for whatever Democrat is running.

[SlowwHand]

So you've decided to be a one of Nader's Raiders?