Anti-life crowd outraged that the unborn are cared for.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by ckweb
It can in part . . . and besides, whether he was lying or not, it was not a pointless comment; it was relevant to the discussion and had more relevance than other posts in this thread, i.e. your troll is pointless!

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[ckweb]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
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Ooooh!

[mindseye]

I hate to rain on Lincoln's parade here, but (...)

What are you talking about, you love to rain on my parades!

Okay, you got me this time!

By the way, your very long response did not address my claim that this sudden interest is quite out of character for an administration that has previously not seemed to be very concerned at all about immigrant women, their children, or their healthcare.

Can I look forward to other, perhaps more progressive health care initiatives for immigrants from the Bush administration?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by mindseye
Can I look forward to other, perhaps more progressive health care initiatives for immigrants from the Bush administration?

If they can score cheap political points with thier base while making the Democrats look bad at the sametime, of course.

[Sava]

I think its hilarious that you call us anti-life when you're the ones killing abortion doctors. If you want less abortions Lincoln, support the use of contraceptives and increased sex education in schools. Otherwise, you're just another troll.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
I think its hilarious that you call us anti-life when you're the ones killing abortion doctors.

I don't believe that Lincoln has ever killed an abortion doctor.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I don't believe that Lincoln has ever killed an abortion doctor.

no but many other like him have... plus Lincoln could have for all I know... to be fair though, I could be a serial killer for all you guys know...

Anyways the whole Pro-Life stance is sound. It's just their actions are hypocritical and extremely inefficient. Legislating against abortion is wrong. With that said, Pro-Lifers should be supporting causes and courses of action that reduce the number of abortions. But instead they're more interested in muckraking, harassing women who get abortions and protesting/killing in the name of their god.

As I said before. In order to reduce the number of abortions, you must get irresponsible people to use contraceptives; and increase sex education in schools. Sex ed should begin around 11 or 12. My first and only sex ed class came when I was 16, 2 full years after my first sexual experience.

[Seeker]

Only sentient beings have human rights.

There is a rational basis to decide when the fetus becomes human:

the appearance of dream-like brain wave patterns at the xth trimester.

Before that, it has no more rights than my last Big Mac.

Comas: Yes, if a person is truly a 'vegetable' with no sentience, they also have no good basis for claiming human rights.

Unconcious People: Firstly, truly unconconcious states are very rare, even the deepest sleeper has human brain activity. However, in the case of certain general aenesthetics, I would argue that the persons 'degree of potentiality' for consciousness is so much greater, certain, and IMMEDIATE than the fetus at most stages of development that they cannot be compared.

Emotionalism: Sentiment, tradition, etc are not good bases for giving human rights. When we talk about rights, only thinking beings need apply. Stopping a beating heart, blah blah, is just emotionalism.
If you cry over an aborted fetus you should become a Jain, since the fetus has the same status as any pig, cow, etc.

[Lincoln]

I agree mindseye (!?!) that Bush is using this language in an agenda to further the pro-life cause. And Doc, the important thing is not that I have not killed an abortion doctor. What is important is that the strawman that Sava created did. Kill the strawman!!

[Lincoln]

Brain waves are detected quite early in the pregnancy. So I can assume that the pro-abortion people are against late term abortions then?

fetal sentience

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Lincoln
So I can assume that the pro-abortion people are against late term abortions then?

I am...

[Lincoln]

Surgery being performed on a fetus in the womb: I guess the little fella didn't know that he was just a parasite and a glob of tissue:

[mactbone]

Looks like these cows didn't know they were bred to be eaten




Lincoln, what would you say to child of eight who has made the decision to run away? Can they make that decision, and is everyone supposed to respect that decision?

[ckweb]

Originally posted by Sava
no but many other like him have... plus Lincoln could have for all I know... to be fair though, I could be a serial killer for all you guys know...

Anyways the whole Pro-Life stance is sound. It's just their actions are hypocritical and extremely inefficient. Legislating against abortion is wrong. With that said, Pro-Lifers should be supporting causes and courses of action that reduce the number of abortions. But instead they're more interested in muckraking, harassing women who get abortions and protesting/killing in the name of their god.

That is a such sweeping and ignorant over-generalization . . . just because there are a select few nutsos in the pro-life movement, who always get the attention of the liberal press who are more than happy to tar and feather the entire movement, you should not lump all pro-life advocates together. In my experience, most pro-life people aren't even socially active; just like most pro-choice. They are normal everyday people who will express their views only in the course of conversation or dialogue. Among those that are active, there are irresponsible advocates and there are responsible advocates with the latter being in the majority! The responsible advocates do the things like "supporting causes and courses of action that reduce the number of abortions"!

[ckweb]

Originally posted by MacTBone
Looks like these cows didn't know they were bred to be eaten




Lincoln, what would you say to child of eight who has made the decision to run away? Can they make that decision, and is everyone supposed to respect that decision?

What an utterly revolting comparison . . . you would see an emerging human life as nothing more than a cow in a slaughterhouse? And, pro-life is accused of being sick and using inflammatory, prejudicial rhetoric . . . unreal!