Anti-life crowd outraged that the unborn are cared for.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I suppose you could apply only a low level of suction and (via the medium of the umbilical cord) give Junior a sort of gynaecological bungee-jumping experience.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lincoln
No, calling a pro life person "anti-choice" is inflamatory because we would like the unborn to have a choice while the anti-life people would deny that choice because they cannot hear the voice of the one they are going to kill. If someone is going to extinguish an innocent life then perhaps they are anti-life after all...

Lincoln... it is hard to make a choice when you don't know what a choice is: someone without the capacity to make a decision is not allowed by the state to make one- this is why chldren for the most part get a different justic system, the mentally disabled get different treatment, why children can't drive, smoke, have sex, vote, or get married. Uness you want 12 year olds to be able to choose whether they want to smoke, have sex, marry, start families, work, and vote- then your better chnage your rather vacous definition of 'choice'.

Again, i don't think a fetus is a Human being, so terminating its life is not murder. But wait Lincoln, you said anti-life; so i guess you are a lithovore since you would never take a life.....

your better get some better logic, oh, and less sappy next time.

[Drake Tungsten]

I drink pennyroyal tea.

Have you been listening to "In Utero", Che? That may explain your bought with depression. Best to stay away from that album if you have even a hint of the blues...

[Lincoln]

"Again, i don't think a fetus is a Human being, so terminating its life is not murder"

Oh, I didn't call you anti human being, I said anti-life. You obviously have no problem with terminating "its life" so I guess you are anti-life. Might want to brush up on some logic...

[monkspider]

It's outrageous commentaries such as this one that scared me away from supporting the pro-life platform to begin with.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lincoln
"Again, i don't think a fetus is a Human being, so terminating its life is not murder"

Oh, I didn't call you anti human being, I said anti-life. You obviously have no problem with terminating "its life" so I guess you are anti-life. Might want to brush up on some logic...

Lincoln, why do you think I put in the lithovore comment? A cow is alive. you eat meat right? I guess you sopport the taking of the life of a cow,and of pigs, chickens, turkeys, fish, shellfish, crustaceans, sheep, corn, wheat, rice, millet, potatoes, fruit trees, and coutless other species: YOU MUST BE ANTI-LIFE!
If you suport the deat penalty then there is no way you could think of yourself as pro-life: you support the taking of life of other human beings. Are you a pacificist, opposed to war? If not, then you can't call yourself pro-life since you would support actions that knowingly lead to the deaths of others. Should I keep going with this endless list?

'Life' is such a vague word that it always leaves room for such stupid logic. Which is why I am direct and get to the point: Anti-abortionists (the best term of all) believe abortion is murder. simple. (Now, I could go into the whole bit that taking a human life is not always murder, which is why manslaughter exists, but that's too long a discussion) I don't think abortion is muder: simple. Is the fetus alive? yes, but so is the fetus of a chicken before i fry it in a pan.

[Ned]

Just a question to the pro-life folks. Why can't one just leave the issue to the woman and/or her husband as a private matter? I think there are some matters, such as this one, where the state should simply not get involved because intervention causes more harm than good.

[Aeson]

Originally posted by Lincoln
I agree. And people say that Bush is stupid. He exposed his opposition as the hypocrites that they are and did a good thing for children in the process.

Thing is, is that both parties have never hiden the fact that their stances are hypocritical when taken as a whole. They do try to hide it though, mostly by pointing at the other sides hypocrisy. When you divide every issue down the middle like both parties seem to do, if one side is hypocritical, both sides have to be.

The good in this bill is truely good, but the motivations behind it are the same ones that both parties always seem to use. To make the other side look dumb. Usually we get real crap from this process, but every now and then something good comes from it.

If Bush and crew had produced this effect in the less manipulative manner of just giving pregnant women health care, instead of trying to leverage it to influence abortion rights, then I'd respect it. To me it just seems like political hostage taking... "give fetuses rights, or they and their mothers don't get healthcare."

As it is..

George Washington was right when he spoke out against the formation of political parties.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by GePap


Lincoln, why do you think I put in the lithovore comment? A cow is alive. you eat meat right? I guess you sopport the taking of the life of a cow,and of pigs, chickens, turkeys, fish, shellfish, crustaceans, sheep, corn, wheat, rice, millet, potatoes, fruit trees, and coutless other species: YOU MUST BE ANTI-LIFE!
If you suport the deat penalty then there is no way you could think of yourself as pro-life: you support the taking of life of other human beings. Are you a pacificist, opposed to war? If not, then you can't call yourself pro-life since you would support actions that knowingly lead to the deaths of others. Should I keep going with this endless list?

'Life' is such a vague word that it always leaves room for such stupid logic. Which is why I am direct and get to the point: Anti-abortionists (the best term of all) believe abortion is murder. simple. (Now, I could go into the whole bit that taking a human life is not always murder, which is why manslaughter exists, but that's too long a discussion) I don't think abortion is muder: simple. Is the fetus alive? yes, but so is the fetus of a chicken before i fry it in a pan.

I don't call myself pro-life really but that is the label that has been put on me because I support giving a voice to the unborn instead of killing "it" before it can make a choice. I support the government's obligation to go to war and punish criminals by death if necessary so I suppose I am not really pro-life.

And the "fetus is a chicken" argument denies even elementary biology. Yes a chicken begets chickens and and I think you can see what a human being begets as well as I can.

As far as leaving the choice to the mother and the doctor that is not the point of this tread. This issue is the vehement response of those whose agenda has nothing to do with "women's health". I think that is obvious.

[Lincoln]

Originally posted by Aeson


Thing is, is that both parties have never hiden the fact that their stances are hypocritical when taken as a whole. They do try to hide it though, mostly by pointing at the other sides hypocrisy. When you divide every issue down the middle like both parties seem to do, if one side is hypocritical, both sides have to be.

The good in this bill is truely good, but the motivations behind it are the same ones that both parties always seem to use. To make the other side look dumb. Usually we get real crap from this process, but every now and then something good comes from it.

If Bush and crew had produced this effect in the less manipulative manner of just giving pregnant women health care, instead of trying to leverage it to influence abortion rights, then I'd respect it. To me it just seems like political hostage taking... "give fetuses rights, or they and their mothers don't get healthcare."

As it is..

George Washington was right when he spoke out against the formation of political parties.

Would you also object if someone like Schindler in ww2 used deceptive means to save a Jew or another condemned person? If pro-life people really are sincere (and most I know are) then it would seem that the end justifies the means in this case.

[blackice]

Good job to Bush

I do not see why it takes away the right of a woman to kill an unborn human but it does give more options to those who care to become a mother and care for a child.

I think it's great.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

I drink pennyroyal tea.

Have you been listening to "In Utero", Che? That may explain your bought with depression. Best to stay away from that album if you have even a hint of the blues...

Thanks, couldn't remember what album tha was on.

[DinoDoc]

I love being right. Lincoln is correct though. Anti-life makes about as much sense as anti-choice or anti-woman.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I love being right.

Whenyou're right all the time, as I am, it gets to be somewhat jaded.

[Winston]

Some people...

It seems it's perfectly ok to go in for the taking of developing human life on a regular basis, but when someone calls them on it by labeling them anti-life, which they certainly are as far as the abortion debate is concerned, all Hell breaks loose.

Totally out of proportion. But what else is new.

This thread gets five stars by me, just because it's so revealing of how some people's minds work.