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  • #91
    From the URL posted on the bottom:

    Following Sept. 11, many of us feared that the war on terror would result in massive government restrictions on free speech. And almost immediately after the attacks, a fistful of public critics of the war (Bill Maher and two small-town journalists) were indeed fired, boycotted, or suspended. Most of that hysteria died down soon enough—but not at our universities. A year later, on college campuses, we are still suspending professors and beating up students with unpopular viewpoints. And what's more, we do all this under the pretext of fostering openness and free expression. Wartime censorship is alive and well, but it's happening only in our colleges, our "laboratories of democracy."

    These firings and suspensions were not initiated by the government, and consequently they don't implicate the First Amendment. They threaten a broader democratic ideal of free speech: the long-cherished belief that words don't hurt but censorship does. Call it patriotism or call it "academic sensitivity," but censorship is still censorship, even when it's invoked to shore up some gauzy dream that universities are a Technicolor rainbow of love and tolerance.

    Long before Sept. 11, there was a growing perversion of what both freedom and speech mean in our universities. The university as a bastion of unfettered political dialogue morphed over the last two decades into the university as quasi-parental hug-factory that must ensure that students don't feel harassed by words they don't want to hear. Universities have become the arbiters of which words are threatening, hateful, or offensive, a game the courts wisely got out of years ago.

    Virtually every stupid speech-related decision made at a university in the year since Sept. 11 was intended to "protect" fragile student sensibilities. Thus, the student newspaper at Berkeley was disciplined by the student Senate for running a cartoon immediately after the hijackings showing the World Trade Center terrorists arriving in hell rather than paradise. Condemned for having fostered anti-Muslim "intolerance," the editors were ordered to apologize on the front page of their paper and attend "diversity training" (the second-worst invention of the last century; the worst being speech codes). A professor at Orange Coast College in Costa Mesa, Calif., received a letter of reprimand for offending students by claiming in class that Muslims who fail to condemn terrorism are effectively condoning it.

    Perhaps the most famous example of overzealous academic censorship is the decision of the University of South Florida to fire, then un-fire, and then ask a court whether they may constitutionally re-fire a computer engineering professor, Sami Al-Arian. His ever-changing list of offenses includes: an appearance on The O'Reilly Factor after Sept.11; saying, "Death to Israel" at a conference in 1991; and affiliation with a think tank associated with terrorist activities. Although the school itself found no evidence to support the latter charges, the university president contends that death threats against Al-Arian put the entire campus at a safety risk. No one talks about firing Alan Dershowitz, and he likely receives more death threats in a day than Al-Arian will in his lifetime. Fraternities and beer bongs also put campuses at a safety risk but no one has tossed them onto the streets.

    Perhaps the most distressing new form of campus censorship has come with the increasingly generous academic definition of what constitutes protected student protest. Last week, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was scheduled to speak at Concordia University in Montreal, Canada. When hundreds of anti-Israel protesters staged what turned into a riot, the speech was canceled. Never mind that protesters punched and kicked prospective listeners who were lined up to hear the speech or that the protesters shattered windows, upended newspaper boxes, and hurled furniture. Less than a handful were arrested; instead, the university responded with censorship, declaring a temporary moratorium on "all Middle East-related student activity on campus."

    Ahmed Abdirahman, a spokesman for one of the groups that organized the protest, was quoted in the Montreal Gazette saying, "As responsible citizens, we have to be here to say physically to Netanyahu that his hatemongering isn't permitted in Montreal." Apparently to "say physically" is not the same as "assault" in his book. It is in mine.

    The idea that physical brutality can be used effectively to interfere with political discourse should terrify any believer in democracy. Canadians—who don't have a First Amendment but do have a long and impressive history of protecting speech—mostly recognize what happened last week for what it is: Violence dressed up as a politically correct protest.

    In a similarly disturbing incident last May, anti-Israel demonstrators at San Francisco State University staged a counterdemonstration to a Jewish peace rally. A group of Jewish students were surrounded by at least twice as many pro-Palestinian students screaming, "Hitler didn't finish the job," "**** the Jews," and "Die, racist pigs." When the faculty on hand failed to intercede, campus police had to form a barrier, and the Jewish students were escorted from the area. This protest was not speech. It was violence.

    Free speech does not encompass the right to fire, suspend, or riot your way into a universe in which everyone agrees with your views, even if you have legitimate grievances. The courts are well aware of this, but it seems that universities, both here and in Canada, are not. On campus, you may "speak" freely—with fists, chairs, and broken glass—so long as you are a member of an aggrieved minority with delicate sensibilities and a narrative of oppression.

    This leaves the state to take on a new role in protecting free speech. The state must be responsible for busting up the monopoly that has taken over the marketplace of ideas:Â a monopoly of suffering, political correctness, and sympathy without limits. In the firing cases, the state will be represented by the courts, which will reinstate faculty fired for no reason other than unpopular views. And in the campus protest cases, the state must acknowledge that people who use force to suppress the opinions of others are not performing some sacred protected speech act. They are committing assault, not merely on other humans and on the basic promise of free speech, but on democracy itself.
    Article URL: http://slate.msn.com/?id=2071214

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    • #92
      I'd like people here to actually point out examples of PC oppression that happened to them.


      Well I actually wrote an article in the school newspaper about it (it kinda helped that I was a columnist... Rutgers' newspaper is actually very open to various POV's). We had a table at a 'Rock the Vote' thing. We were offering cookies and had the fun people sneering at us and saying our cookies were poisoned. Greens defacing the signs we were giving out and putting them back in front of us.

      The Dem Party was fine, the Greens (aka, the lefties) were the ones trying to cause problems and being PC.
      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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      • #93
        Originally posted by DinoDoc
        You aren't one of those people that believes that the Masons are an all-powerful satanic cult, are you?
        No, that would be the Chicago Tribune, at least until they discovered Reds.

        The Freemasons were a very powerful political influence in the US up until about the 1820s, when members of one lodge murdered a member to prevent him from publishing a book on the order's secrets. The country turned against the freemasons in a big way immediately after the details became known (and a jury of freemasons aquitted most of their fellow brothers). But for a time, in the US, if you wanted to get ahead in business and/or politics, you had to be a mason, at least according to the Disovery Channel.
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Lincoln
          (the second-worst invention of the last century; the worst being speech codes).
          I would have to disagree. I think poison gas, fascism, germ warfare, nuclear weapons, etc., are all far worse inventions of the 20th Century than speech codes and diversity training.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #95
            Bravo, Che, for having the balls to publish dissenting views - particularly of that woman who complained about her teachers.

            My own daughter was sexually harassed by a professor. She complained and nothing happened. A friend of hers was then raped. The professor is still there. News of his proclivities is suppressed because he has a big rep.

            At least we seem to agree that freedom of speech should be defended. Your experience on campus is not atypical of what is happening today to those who are pro-American, pro-Israel, pro-war, pro-life or pro-religion, except that being pro-Muslim is now PC.
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            • #96
              Nitpicking

              Originally posted by chegitz guevara
              I think poison gas, fascism, germ warfare, nuclear weapons, etc., are all far worse inventions of the 20th Century than speech codes and diversity training.
              Germ warfare existed prior to the 20th century.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                Well I actually wrote an article in the school newspaper about it (it kinda helped that I was a columnist... Rutgers' newspaper is actually very open to various POV's). We had a table at a 'Rock the Vote' thing. We were offering cookies and had the fun people sneering at us and saying our cookies were poisoned. Greens defacing the signs we were giving out and putting them back in front of us.

                The Dem Party was fine, the Greens (aka, the lefties) were the ones trying to cause problems and being PC.
                defacing signs and obstructing someone elses speach is not PC, its radical, ie. politcally incorrect. if it were Poltically correct, then it would have been done by a majority, or a group in power, not by a marginalized group of radicals: that is the point of PC. Which is why conservatives, who do hold many of the reigns of public discourse in the country, crying 'PC' is sucha joke, and a bad one:

                Take the 'pledge of alliegence' controversy: when the judge ruled it unconstitutional, all the conservative cried 'PC' and said it was the work of a nut atheist, and brought out the daughter of the guy to show sh wanted to say God, blah blah blah. How many stopped to ask the relatives of the Socialist who wrote the pledge of alliegence for a Socialist Youth Magazine about how they felt when congress, in 1954, voted to insert 'under God' into a pledga that previous to that, never had that phrase in it? An how many stopped to remember tha in 1943, during the middle of the Second World War, a court ruled it unconsitutional to force kids to say the pledge in public schools: and that the body politic in general though it a good ruling, congurent with American values? The Politically Correct in the story was how the press, aided by conservatives, sought to ridicuale and burry the man who brought the suit and the judge as 'anti-God' or 'anti-American', not the Judge, who, based on historical evidence, and previous rulings, made a very defensible and reasoned case.
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                • #98
                  Re: Nitpicking

                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Germ warfare existed prior to the 20th century.
                  *****, *****, *****.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by GePap
                    The Politically Correct in the story was how the press, aided by conservatives, sought to ridicuale and burry the man who brought the suit and the judge as 'anti-God'
                    In defense of the press, the father made that case himself without any help from an outside source.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • Originally posted by Ned

                      At least we seem to agree that freedom of speech should be defended. Your experience on campus is not atypical of what is happening today to those who are pro-American, pro-Israel, pro-war, pro-life or pro-religion, except that being pro-Muslim is now PC.
                      In what setting is being pro-American, israel, war, life and so on being a oppresed majority? Even in very radical schols, can you give me an example of the administratin not letting these types of views being presented to the public?

                      Simple question: lest take two extremes: Bob Jones and Berkeley. Which is least likely to hapen, to be allowed by the administration? A pro-war, pro-Israel rally in berkeley, or an anti-War, pro-Palestinian rally in Bob Jones? OK, so berkeley is Public, so if someone wants, replace berkeley with a higly liberal private university. I think the point still stands.
                      If you don't like reality, change it! me
                      "Oh no! I am bested!" Drake
                      "it is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong" Voltaire
                      "Patriotism is a pernecious, psychopathic form of idiocy" George Bernard Shaw

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                      • defacing signs and obstructing someone elses speach is not PC, its radical, ie. politcally incorrect.


                        Actually that is a part of PC. Deeming that Republicans are evil because of what 'they represent'. And a majority on campus sure as Hell supported them, especially going by their comments.

                        Obstructing other people's speech is EXACTLY what PC is, and what is going on right now.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • Of course, Bob Jones is not respected as a university by most people, while Berkeley is considered one of the best unis in the country. Some fringe commie college would've made for a better comparison with Bob Jones, or you could've replaced Bob Jones with a respected, conservative university. As it is now, your comparison is a huge stretch, at best.

                          Wait a minute. A respected, conservative university? Hard to think of one, isn't it?
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                          • GePap, I have not heard of protests or riots by the right in the United States against leftist speakers on campus. I have heard a lot of the other variety though.

                            An example, though not on campus, was Powell's recent speech in Africa. The American and European Greens did their best to prevent him from speaking at all. I have never, ever heard of similar activity by rightsts - with one exception. That is the incident of Republican protestors in South Florida (Miami, IIRC) protesting the rigged recount by a pro-Gore elections committee. The news media noted that they have never in their entire careers seen a Republican protest.
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                            • I've seen them.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                              • Originally posted by Ned
                                GePap, I have not heard of protests or riots by the right in the United States against leftist speakers on campus. I have heard a lot of the other variety though.

                                An example, though not on campus, was Powell's recent speech in Africa. The American and European Greens did their best to prevent him from speaking at all. I have never, ever heard of similar activity by rightsts - with one exception. That is the incident of Republican protestors in South Florida (Miami, IIRC) protesting the rigged recount by a pro-Gore elections committee. The news media noted that they have never in their entire careers seen a Republican protest.
                                A few points: As I pointed out, there was the protest by several groups against the University of South Carolina for asking students to read a book on Islam, carried out by conservatives. There are protest against art shows seen as 'blasphemous', protests against pro-Palestinian speakers for being 'anti-semitic' and so forth.
                                Besides, when in power, as most conservatives are, why protest? Almost be definition, the establishment does not protest because it doesn't need to to get its point accross- it has other means, like rpeventing certain people from speaking, a far more insidious way of limiting free speech than shouting whe someone is speaking (not to say i agree with such childish tactics).

                                Actually that is a part of PC. Deeming that Republicans are evil because of what 'they represent'. And a majority on campus sure as Hell supported them, especially going by their comments.

                                Obstructing other people's speech is EXACTLY what PC is, and what is going on right now.


                                Under what definition of PC, besides your own personal one, does this count as PC? Yes, I myself have seen those over-sensitive leftists who complain and target conservative speakers, but I find it hard to label intollerant gits as being 'tolerant', though perhaps my definition of PC then is too exclusive. The bigger point is that you were able to hold your event: other did try to sabotage it, but those in power, those that count: the admin.: allowed you to carry out your form of speech. i have never heard of the adminsitration of any liberal college blocking the ability of conservative groups on their campus from carrying out their speech: so where is the PC repression? Repression comes from those in power-being hastled by your peers is annoying, but as long as you have the recourse of going to the admin. an denouncing theirt actions,withou fear of some sort of retributioon, it ain't oppresion.
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