Would Jesus have suported the Death Penalty

[mactbone]

Yeah, it just seems silly that you want to believe that there is hell so that all that being good was worth something. I know that you don't really want to hurt tons of people, but it's one of those deals where you do all the extra work and you don't get anytyhing extra - of course you're not gonna like the slackers.

[DRoseDARs]

Someone please explain to me why so many people are unclear with this concept:

Thou shalt not kill.

I'm not seeing any amendments to that sentence. As the Ten Commandments are considered to be the DIRECT word of God (meaning the original tablets were written by God's own hand or an aproximation thereof) by Jews and Christians, and many Christians believe the Jesus was God incarnated in Human form...I just don't see how there's any wiggle-room for interpretation on this matter.

But then again, I'm not Judeo-Christian...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Someone please explain to me why so many people are unclear with this concept:

Thou shalt not kill.

That isn't what the commandment actually says. It annoys me that people keep getting that wrong.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
That isn't what the commandment actually says.

Then what does it say?

What I stated is what I've heard all of my 21 years of life...

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Then what does it say?

Thou shalt not murder.

There is no biblical prohibition against the death penalty.

[DinoDoc]

Oh and the story about the adulterous woman Caligasta refers to on page one is a forgery.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Thou shalt not murder.

There is no biblical prohibition against the death penalty.

My dictionary defines 'Murder' as the act of killing someone, particularly intentionally. 'Kill' is defined as the act of depriving of life.

Nope, not seeing the difference. I still don't get it.

(BTW: Sorry if I offended anyone 'bout not typing the 'correct' words of the commandment. But that's how religious texts are: different authors, different editing.)

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Nope, not seeing the difference. I still don't get it.

Here's an essay by a Jewish author that should make the distinction clearer.

[DRoseDARs]

I'll read it later, DinoDoc.

But for now, "Hi ho, hi ho, to College Algebra I go..."

Thank you DinoDoc.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
As far as The Dark, I take it you mean sort of like a Catholic Purgatory?

Sort of, but I make the distinction that you are there until you feel you are ready, not until you are deemed to be "released".

I agree that were a Soul to be standing at the gates of Hell, undoubtably repentance would hit near 100% participation.

As I say I don't believe in Hell, and so the gates of Hell means little to my way of thinking. I don't believe I will be stuffed in a burning fire or strung up on a torture rack by the Devil.

I guess you could refer my concept of lonelyness and nothingness as being my definition of Hell, but I just feel that Hell is the wrong term for what I believe

With regards 100% participation, that is no problem to me. I will not judge my happiness on what happens to others. The prodigal son is a parable that springs to mind.

I also think that's kind of crappy for people who at least made some kind of effort during their "earth lives" to do what's considered "right".
Then, WHAM! Living next door to Hitler or some other skank who never made effort 1.

I think you are retaining an "Heaven is like Earth" mentality. I don't think being upset about Hitler's arrival in heaven should be allowed to bother my soul. What I do is all that is important. A good parable on this issue is the parable of workers in the vineyard.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Oh and the story about the adulterous woman Caligasta refers to on page one is a forgery.

[Godbear]

Of course Jesus wouldn't have supported the death penalty.
Here is a passage from the bible
John 8
3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
7But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her

Clearly, Jesus reprimands the group attempting to initiate the death penalty on the woman in question. Not to mention the death penatly goes against the nature of Jesus' message of love, forgiveness, and turning the other cheek. It makes me sad that many of my Christian brothers support such an evil practice. I will pray this evening that God gives them the strength to see past Satan's trickery.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by MacTBone
Yeah, it just seems silly that you want to believe that there is hell so that all that being good was worth something. I know that you don't really want to hurt tons of people, but it's one of those deals where you do all the extra work and you don't get anytyhing extra - of course you're not gonna like the slackers.

You misunderstand.
I was talking of comparative good vs. evil.
Hell is not what makes going to Heaven good, it's the ultimate basis of comparison.
Additionally, I said I disagree that lost souls stay in a holding pattern until they ultimately decide that what they did was wrong.

Naturally, again, this is merely my opinion based on no 1st hand experience.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Godbear
John 8
3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
7But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her

This is part of the forgery I was refering to earlier, Cali.

[SlowwHand]

And this, "Sort of, but I make the distinction that you are there until you feel you are ready, not until you are deemed to be "released".

I disagree with entirely.
How and why would The Person make the distinction and ruling? Were that the case, they wouldn't be there at all, because when they kicked the bucket they didn't feel they were wrong; and if they HAD kicked the bucket, and believed they'd done wrong, again, no Holding Pattern.
See what I'm trying to think and say?