Majority of Canadians polled say US partially to blame for 9-11

[Chris 62]

According to the chart I have, 4 Austrailians were killed, although I have only two of the Aussie's names, Yvonne Kennedy, 62, of Sydney, and Andrew Knox, 30, of Adelaide.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher
The Canadian Press article linked to by Frogger didn't talk about the "don't know" percentage.

The CP article linked by Frogger did mention the fact that people don't know about the agreement. This is what the article states:

"Alberta Environment Minister Lorne Taylor said it would be wrong to point to any one element of the poll and ignore other parts of the survey.

"Findings that suggest that only one-third of Albertans know what Kyoto means and that about 50 per cent favour a so-called "made in Canada" solution to climate change are more significant, he said. "

[Gatekeeper]

MtG:

Thumbs up for sensible posts.

Gatekeeper

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Asher

Seemed to be a pretty lengthy article to me. It even talked about how it'd hurt alberta's position on it since "most people want it but the government doesn't".

Funny how they feel the need to insert opinion in the article like that, but not hard figures like "only 30 something percent knew what it did".

That wasn't a statement of opinion. The poll shows most Canadians want it. The government is against it. So it is factual to say that "most people want it but the government doesn't".

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Chris 62
According to the chart I have, 4 Austrailians were killed, although I have only two of the Aussie's names, Yvonne Kennedy, 62, of Sydney, and Andrew Knox, 30, of Adelaide.

Ya, Mrs Kennedy was on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon. The poor woman had just retired and was on her first holiday post retirement visiting friends in the States.

Andrew Knox was the young guy who managed to get a phone call out to family in Australia before the Tower he was trapped in collapsed. He was one of the people caught above the impact. He worked for one of the big stock market managed fund companies.

[Chris 62]

Found another, Alberto Dominguez,66, of Lidcombe, New South Wales, a baggage handler for Qantas.

Have to find the forth, for my records.

[ckweb]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


Actually, this is another interesting subject, because the Shiite fundamentalism of Khomeini and Khamanei is quite different, and the Iranian people have a much different cultural legacy and modern history than do the arabs.

That is no doubt true . . . you obviously have a certain expertise on the region. However, both types of fundamentalism are able to utilize US foreign policy to generate public support and enflame it to the point of radicalism.

Look at the US, as an example . . . After 9/11, the interference of foreign individuals on its soil, the Gov't was suddenly able to pounce on widespread fear and misinformation to deny certain public freedoms and commit acts, however justifiably, that in any other time it would not have been able to do. Likewise, in the Arab world, if you take away from the fundamentalists the fuel (invasive US policy), then you will ultimately taking away their power. Just as people are increasingly disposed to criticize Bush and his use of power the farther removed 9/11 is from the public consciousness.

Extremism breeds in extreme situations. Take away the extreme situation and there is nothing to be extremist about.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by Chris 62
Found another, Alberto Dominguez,66, of Lidcombe, New South Wales, a baggage handler for Qantas.

Oh yeah, this guy was a grandfather from memory who had also just retired or was about to and was on a heavily discounted round the world trip that airline workers can get.

[des-esseintes]

Lmao.

The so-called "NATO drive to the East" is coming apart before it even started.

[notyoueither]

Don't laugh too soon, whoever you are.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Bin Laden and his followers derive much of their Islamic views from the writings of al Qutb, who took Sayyid Maududi's writings on modern Islamic fundamentalism and expanded on them after his visits to the west in the late 1940's and early 1950's. This was long before the US was a major player in the middle east, and at the very beginning of US prominence in foreign policy, long before there was much to particularly hate us over.

Depends on your definition of early 50s. In 53, the US backs a coup that overthrows a populist government in Iran that was planning to nationalize oil production. Even before the coup, there are anti-US protests (this indicates that anti-US sentiment exists before 53, but also that the coup is not the starting point of anti-US attitudes).

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
The US was picked for two simple reasons - as the most powerful nation on earth, hitting us proved they could hit anyone. The other (and this gives China a big advantage) is that we are extremely easy to infiltrate. I doubt they would have been able to get 19 guys long term visas and into Chinese flight schools.

There's more to it then that. There is tremendous resentment around the world about the way the US throws its weight around. From the perspective of many people, What the US wants, it usually gets. If a government takes a path that is not accepted by the US then that government risks being overthrown or isolated diplomatically or economically.

The anti-American sentiment may well be fueled by emotions, such as envy or disgust at Ameican culture, but it is also fueled by specific actions taken by the US government.