The two faces of Islam.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Ron Jeremy


The only adequate response to that is "No ****, Sherlock". I don't know how long it's taken, but congratulations on concluding that there are (at least) two sides to every story.

Yeah, figured this fact out when I was in the fifth grade (1991) all by myself (my parents didn't force any belief-systems on me). Sadly, most people NEVER figure it out.

Jerk.

Anyway, for everyone else, here's a quote for you, "The truth is a three-edged sword: Your side, his side and the Truth."

(Borrowed from a line in a TV series, but still very valid. They probably got the line from elsewhere too.)

[Zulu Elephant]

Two, very obvious, points and then I'll leave this article by hatemonger-whatever-he's-called with the contempt it deserves.

Christianity has its two faces in "An eye for an eye" vs. "Turn the other cheek"

Christianity has the same violent history as Islam and to try to use either of these two religions' historical misreadings or misuses against them is, at best, ignorant or, at worst, an attempt to paint a deliberatey false historcal picture of them

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by Zulu Elephant
Two, very obvious, points and then I'll leave this article by hatemonger-whatever-he's-called with the contempt it deserves.

Christianity has its two faces in "An eye for an eye" vs. "Turn the other cheek"

Christianity has the same violent history as Islam and to try to use either of these two religions' historical misreadings or misuses against them is, at best, ignorant or, at worst, an attempt to paint a deliberatey false historcal picture of them

Yes. The problem is that christianity has outgrown it. When will islam do the same?

[Ned]

Considering how Islam was born and spread, it has to be a religion of world conquest. If it is not, what changed it and when?

Christainty teaches that the road to paradise lies through non violence. One is taught to turn the other cheek, for example, and to die rather than harm an unbeliever. Islams seems to teach that dying while killing the Infidel leads to paradise.

The two religions are polar opposites. They are not equivalent at all.

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by Ned
Considering how Islam was born and spread, it has to be a religion of world conquest. If it is not, what changed it and when?

Christainty teaches that the road to paradise lies through non violence. One is taught to turn the other cheek, for example, and to die rather than harm an unbeliever. Islams seems to teach that dying while killing the Infidel leads to paradise.

The two religions are polar opposites. They are not equivalent at all.

I don't know. Crusades, which promised that anyone who died was instantly going to heaven? Reconquista?

[Sikander]

" We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assasin. What do you call it when the assasins accuse the assasin ? They lie.. they lie and we have to be merciful for those who lie. Those nabobs. I hate them. How I hate them...Drop the bomb. Exterminate them all."

Colonel Kurtz

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Faeelin


I don't know. Crusades, which promised that anyone who died was instantly going to heaven? Reconquista?

Those two events, while done in Christianity's name, were not in accordance in Christian teachings at all and such militancy is not wide-spread at all today.

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


Those two events, while done in Christianity's name, were not in accordance in Christian teachings at all and such militancy is not wide-spread at all today.

Damn. I'm agreeing with you that there's no christian militancy today, but you're honestly going to say that islam is a religion based on war?

Compare what saladin did when he captured jerusalem to what the crusaders did.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Faeelin


Yes. The problem is that christianity has outgrown it. When will islam do the same?

Unfortunately Faeelin, you're only half-right. While Christianity has outgrown, for the most part, rampent violence as a means of conversion and affecting advantageous changes, they've yet to outgrow the hate-mongering.

Being homosexual, by law in the United States, I hold legal status as a Second-Class Citizen in a pressumed "class-less" society. Even this November that status may well be reaffirmed, yet again, when we Nevadans vote on our version of a Defence of Marriage act (DoM: pronounced "Dum"). Already passed in 2000, it has to pass a second time before becoming law in this state, but that initiative has been losing steam since then...VOTE NO ON QUESTION #2 IN NEVADA NOVEMBER 2002!!!

Such initiatives are almost always, dare I say solely, spearheaded by Conservative Christian groups in the United States. Hell, even Nevada's 'Dum' Act is being led by, I believe a Man-of-the-Cloth, Richard Ziser and his Coalition for the Protection of Marriage in Nevada.

[ThePantaloonDog]

Those two events, while done in Christianity's name, were not in accordance in Christian teachings at all and such militancy is not wide-spread at all today.

According to whose teaching of Christianity?
Jerry Falwell?
David Karesh?

There's a million different ways to interpret Greek writings from 3000 years ago.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by Faeelin


Damn. I'm agreeing with you that there's no christian militancy today, but you're honestly going to say that islam is a religion based on war?

Compare what saladin did when he captured jerusalem to what the crusaders did.

Yes, for practical puprposes the moslems acted much better then the Christians did. And I am not saying Islam is a religion based on war, but the command to go spread Sharia by the sword is found in the Koran

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi


Yes, for practical puprposes the moslems acted much better then the Christians did. And I am not saying Islam is a religion based on war, but the command to go spread Sharia by the sword is found in the Koran

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law

[KrazyHorse]

Never mind how many atrocities I can find condoned in the Old Testament...

[MrFun]

How much more were Islamic states more tolerant towards other religions in the Middle Ages compared to Christianity?

Didn't Jews flee from Catholic Spain to the southern part of Spain that was ruled by Muslims in the Middle Ages, while others went farther, and went into North Africa to flee persecution from Catholics??

[Shi Huangdi]

You fail to understand the difference in the way the two religions view the scripture, however. A key tenant of the Islamic faith is that the Koran is God's final revelation of his will to this world, and is absolutely perfect and to be considered literally true. Although many Christians do believe that an exact and literal interpertation of the bible is appropriate, this is generally not the case. Most believe that it cannot be trusted so much as to be taken literally true, and some groups such as the Catholics and the Anglicans have organized hierarchy which determine the tenants of the religion instead of the Bible. Even those who do believe in taking the bible literally tend not to follow it's command exactly- it is rare for instance to see a family stone it's kid for being disobedient. Moslems place their scripture on a far higher pedastel then does Christianity.

"How much more were Islamic states more tolerant towards other religions in the Middle Ages compared to Christianity? "

Much more, and I said(talking about the middle ages) that the moslems acted better than the Christians.