When will they strike next?

[red_jon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Yes but it's even easier for a terrorist group to organize those.

Yeah, I'm not saying it wasn't terrorists. I'm saying I'm not convinced either way.

And playing devil's advocate is always fun

[DinoDoc]

Could you respond to MtG in the real conspiracy monger thread?

[Ming]

Originally posted by red_jon
OK, how about protection? I'm not Osama so I can't say what his incentive would be, but I don't think the man is incorruptible.

While he may or may not be corruptible... From everything written, he is a true believer in his cause. Why he has the goals he does, who knows for sure... but he is a believer. He gave up a life of luxery to fight this cause of his... not many people would walk away fromt he life he had before.

As far as protection goes... he didn't need protection prior to 911... he only needed it AFTER it. While he was on the "wanted" list... he did a pretty good job of making fools out of those that wanted him. And the video tapes reinforce that attitude... So why would protection be an incentive to perform an act that would then require that he actually needs more protection. And from judging from the response of the US... it obviously couldn't have been an offer of protection

[red_jon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Could you respond to MtG in the real conspiracy monger thread?

I tend to lose track of threads. Which one is that?


Ming - maybe they threatened his family - they were given passage back to Afghanistan by the US government straight after the attacks. I have no idea. I'm sure they could find a way though.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Lord Merciless


Chinese economic and political situations got far worse after the Boxer Rebellion. They had to pay an indemnity 10 times their national incomes, cede territories, and yield many sovereign rights to the Imperialist powers. Signs, such as "Chinese and Dogs not allowed in", are errected in throughout in China where foreigners are present. Have the Muslims ever suffered humiliations like this in their own countries?

But the painful lesson also taught Chinese people that they could not gain respect and past glories by resorting to fanaticism and primitive violence. The Chinese people realized that in order to compete, they must embrace the Western culture and follow its footsteps. Beginning in 1901, China went on a modernization streak that has not even been finished as of today.

You see, the hate and humiliations are not the ultimate motivation for violent political movements, but the probability of success is.

Hopefully, we can give Al-Qaeda and like-minded a thorough thrashing that Muslims will drop them just as fast as the Chinese dropped the Boxers.

Interesting, imposing your will on people does work then. I agreed that giving in to terrorism would be a bad idea, but I consider resolving problems with the masses who aren't terrorist a way to remove the support base without bloodshed.

Consider the IRA situation, would heavy handedness against terrorism and Ireland have been possible to remove the threat? Could the Nazi's have imposed such tactics against the resistance fighters in occupied Europe?

I'm interested in your opinion, you are convincing me that violence can solve a problem.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally posted by red_jon


Bush wouldn't have organised it - the administration would have. A large number of them have alreadyt worked for the President (Bush's father) and so would be in the best possible position to pull something like this off.

And the risk isn't too great- the act could be as sloppy as they like - the tragedy is so highly emotive people can't question it on a large scale.

So you are saying a bunch of administration officials would actually mastermind this attack? And the risk isn't questioning- the risk is if you suggest the idea to someone else he might act horrified and turn you in. And that is what most likely would happen if someone were to suggest the idea originally. And in addition to everything I mentioned, what about the moslems from the middle east who came here, the first thing they do being learning how to fly, and then never trying to acquring any type of pilot job, and this group of people some how ending up on all the flights that were trying to be hijacked?

Sorry redjon, but your suggestion that Bush would do something like this are just absurd, and if Ming weren't monitoring this thread I'd have a few choice words for you right now. So I'll just say that is very likely many people on this forum will change their opinion towards you because of your absurd argument.

[Ming]

Just chill...

He is welcome to his opinion. While it may appear totally idiotic to any rational person... it's still his opinion.

*Plus... He's only trolling... so don't let him win*

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
Sorry redjon, but your suggestion that Bush would do something like this are just absurd, and if Ming weren't monitoring this thread I'd have a few choice words for you right now. So I'll just say that is very likely many people on this forum will change their opinion towards you because of your absurd argument.

Let me state this clearly, since you've faield to comprehend what I've said about three times.

I. AM. NOT. A. CONSPIRACY. THEORIST.

I'm merely offering a counterpoint. I don't firmly believe any side to this, I'm trying to keep an open mind.

Okay?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by red_jon
I. AM. NOT. A. CONSPIRACY. THEORIST.

Liar.

PS The thread I was refering to was 10 signs that your Neighbor has been brainwashed or some such.

[Dauphin]

I. AM. NOT. A. CONSPIRACY. THEORIST.

Of course you aren't, you haven't mentioned JFK even once.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Liar.

PS The thread I was refering to was 10 signs that your Neighbor has been brainwashed or some such.

*hides hidden reports and stops playing Deus Ex*

I gave up on that thread when I saw it got long and boring

SD - I didn't mention JFK

[Dauphin]

I thought all conspiracy theories involve JFK somehow.


Maybe its just me.

[red_jon]

Originally posted by Sagacious Dolphin
I thought all conspiracy theories involve JFK somehow.


Maybe its just me.

We studied the JFK assasination in sociology as part of a study into conspiricies.

[Six Thousand Year Old Man]

It wouldn't astonish me if somebody in the US administration knew or ought to have known (in legal parlance) about the impending attacks, and turned a blind eye to them, knowing that the attacks would lead to the American people throwing their support behind Bush and a more hawkish foreign policy.

It would surprise me, but it wouldn't astonish me, as I said. I have a low opinion of the morality of politicians, even US ones. I doubt they would organize the attack, or finance it. But I can readily accept the idea that some parties in the US administration might accept the prospect of some damage in order to make their own political ends more attainable.

So in that sense, I see where redjon is coming from.

[Shi Huangdi]

"
I. AM. NOT. A. CONSPIRACY. THEORIST. "

Since I've already been warned, I will just say that I consider being open to the possibilty the administration ordered 9-11 to be equivelant to being open to the suggestion that aliens kiled JFK.