Rugby - Who? Me, Sir? Offside?

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
Actually, I vividly remember the first time I set eyes on some of France's chateaux. I couldn't fathom why the Revolution hadn't happened sooner.

I think they did not had the weapons yet!

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


Who said the decision of a referee is never to be contested ?

The skipper's allowed to query a referee's decision.

*finbar hurriedly takes a vote amongst himself and discovers he's been elected Thread Skipper but wonders who abstained*

[finbar]

Originally posted by Tamerlin


I think they did not had the weapons yet!

Sticks and rocks and a box of matches didn't exist in France in 1789?

[Frozzy]

Just watching the NPC 2nd Division Semi-Finals, and a thought cam accross my mind. In leagues around the world, how big a gap is there between the 1st and 2nd divisions in this day and age of TV broadcasting?

[finbar]

How does TV coverage enter into it?

[finbar]

500!





Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[Havak]

Now if Woodward has the favours of the English board, he might need only half-final.

He seems to have the confidence of the RFU LdiCesare but as always only he and they know that for sure.

Your point is well made though – as Rugby has become more Professional coaches tenure has become shorter – and they are expected to take responsibility more. I fully expect Woodward to go of his own accord if we don’t reach the semi-final but I expect him to be ‘pushed’ perhaps if we don’t reach the final. Similarly I can’t see Jones survivng anything other than as Aussie win.

It’s not really fair – but it seems to be the reality of the game these days.

though which one would be the interesting question.

To be honest I would always want our head coach to be English. I think it’s best to have a head coach from your own country? We have seen a prime example here where a successful foreign coach has failed spectacularly helming another country (and indeed my old friends the Lions).

Fair enough. Makes the pool matches very, very interesting.

Well I want to see how the Boks perform in November but one has to remember they finished last in the tri-nations and, on both world rankings and recent years results (we have lost three matches in 24 months IIRC) we are the better side. I expect us to win the group – failure to do so would be a major surprise to me.

She struggled with her role to the extent that she had to leave the house - and the series - for a little while.

It is interesting. It shows eloquently, that for all it’s faults, our modern societies (in Western democracies at least) have come a long, long way forward.

Arise, Sir Tight-Head!

I have a feeling my former team mates would change that to Sit Tight-Arse – but that is a different story.

Yes, we have a different sort of class structure these days - haves and have nots - and I think it's much more dangerous than what went before. It is, I would venture to say, the basis of much of the "terrorism" that's plaguing the world.

Well to be honest the Feudal system was based entirely on that system but your point is still valid because the have nots these days are generally well educated, well indoctrinated or well informed. Information is much more easily available than it has ever been and its harder for the haves to hide the comparative extent of their having.

Actually, I vividly remember the first time I set eyes on some of France's chateaux. I couldn't fathom why the Revolution hadn't happened sooner.

And as you walk around AONB here – like the peak district – and see signs everywhere saying “keep off – property of the Duke of Westminster” – you wonder why we didn’t purge them too. I am not expounding that we should have repeated the massive excesses of the French revolution – but we should have dismissed the concepts of royalty and aristrocracy after the civil war. Both idea are, after all, so very 17th century don’t you think?

Mind you I like royalists – anyone cowed and stupid enough to argue in favour of their own oppressors are just the kind of people I like to meet (in debate or competition for business for example)

The pressure is already building

I would expect the pressure on your guys is quite high Finbar. Lets face it the LCD fans expect them to win it right?

Fine, "Balls out" it is.

Yellow card and 10 metres Fibar – back chat to the ref!

The skipper's allowed to query a referee's decision.

But not dispute it, which is what you did.

In any case the skipper should always be a forward – and surely that means it is me?

I certainly didn’t abstain btw – I voted against you. Nothing personal – it just seems to be instinct to vote against the Australian.

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
Similarly I can’t see Jones survivng anything other than as Aussie win.

Not sure about that. Of course it depends on how badly they fail if they fail. There's no one waiting in the wings at this stage.

We have seen a prime example here where a successful foreign coach has failed spectacularly helming another country (and indeed my old friends the Lions).

I think it depends on the quality of the coach - by which I mean, his qualities as a person as well as the rugby side of it.

Well I want to see how the Boks perform in November but one has to remember they finished last in the tri-nations and, on both world rankings and recent years results (we have lost three matches in 24 months IIRC) we are the better side. I expect us to win the group – failure to do so would be a major surprise to me.

I'd agree that November will be the test for them. They played damn well against us in SA. They have a lot of young talent mixed in with some experience.

I am not expounding that we should have repeated the massive excesses of the French revolution –

Why on earth not?

but we should have dismissed the concepts of royalty and aristrocracy after the civil war. Both idea are, after all, so very 17th century don’t you think?

Yep.

Mind you I like royalists – anyone cowed and stupid enough to argue in favour of their own oppressors are just the kind of people I like to meet (in debate or competition for business for example)

I've never seen so many people in need of chins as monarchists.

Yellow card and 10 metres Fibar – back chat to the ref!



But not dispute it, which is what you did.

Dang NH rules interpretations again!

In any case the skipper should always be a forward – and surely that means it is me?

Sorry, son, we'd be twenty minutes into the first half before you'd worked out which was heads and which was tails.

I certainly didn’t abstain btw – I voted against you. Nothing personal – it just seems to be instinct to vote against the Australian.

Re-read the line. I took a vote amongst myself and someone abstained.

PS. Hurry up and start a new thread, Cal!

[Havak]

Not sure about that. Of course it depends on how badly they fail if they fail. There's no one waiting in the wings at this stage.

Sometimes this doesn’t seem to matter. When Jack Rowell was booted, um, sorry left the role Woody was not the first one asked by any means. There was no obvious successor at that time – but I sometimes find Crown princes are entirely the wrong choice anyway?

I think it depends on the quality of the coach - by which I mean, his qualities as a person as well as the rugby side of it.

Well certainly in the case I cited he failed both tests I think. If you alienate your senior players you might as well quite to be honest.

I'd agree that November will be the test for them. They played damn well against us in SA. They have a lot of young talent mixed in with some experience

SMH Dads army quips aside, so do we.

As you well know Twickers is not South Africa. It is in many ways the acid test for whether they can take a good showing on the road. The same reasoning is behind us playing warm up games with yourselves next year.

Why on earth not?

Because I don’t believe we should kill people for erroneously believing they are superior by birth. True justice would be to confiscate their wealth and possessions and make them live on income support (which can be withdrawn if they refuse several minimum wage job offers). Then we would see just how ‘superior’ they are.

I've never seen so many people in need of chins as monarchists.

Cracking line there – I may borrow it (reasonable rates?)

Dang NH rules interpretations again!

The fourth official is a Kiwi, appeal to him?

Sorry, son, we'd be twenty minutes into the first half before you'd worked out which was heads and which was tails.

But think of the fun I would have continually flipping the oppo captain until I could work out which end was which.

Re-read the line. I took a vote amongst myself and someone abstained.

Whoops! That’s what I get for speed reading at work.

New thread time!!

[finbar]

Originally posted by Havak
but I sometimes find Crown princes are entirely the wrong choice anyway?

Often the case. But back to Eddie - he's had a season and a bit. By this time next year it will be two seasons and a bit. Hard to know what would happen if they don't win.

Because I don’t believe we should kill people for erroneously believing they are superior by birth. True justice would be to confiscate their wealth and possessions and make them live on income support (which can be withdrawn if they refuse several minimum wage job offers). Then we would see just how ‘superior’ they are.

Can't we confiscate their wealth, make them live on income support, take it away from them, then kill them?

Cracking line there – I may borrow it (reasonable rates?)

Gratis to retired tight-heads.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Havak
Well to be honest the Feudal system was based entirely on that system but your point is still valid because the have nots these days are generally well educated, well indoctrinated or well informed. Information is much more easily available than it has ever been and its harder for the haves to hide the comparative extent of their having.

You are right about information, this why I have talked about the educated and the uneducated. Access to information is useless if you don't have the means to understand it. Unfortunately, the lower classes don't have the necessary education to read between the lines and analyze information, they are too occupied struggling to make a living. The "noble" aristocracy has been replaced by a "money" aristocracy, what is really curious is that in Europe many influential families have a "de" or "Von" somewhere in their names...

Both idea are, after all, so very 17th century don’t you think?

It reminds me the title of a song called "Westminster Babylon"...

Yellow card and 10 metres Finbar – back chat to the ref!

Let me summarize the gentle and fair attitude of the crowd : Boooooooh !

But not dispute it, which is what you did.

BOOOOOOOOH !

In any case the skipper should always be a forward – and surely that means it is me?

I have always been convinced the skipper should be the Scrum Half or the Fly Half, one vote for LDiCesare (if I'am not wrong about your position on the field LDiCesare).

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by finbar
Can't we confiscate their wealth, make them live on income support, take it away from them, then kill them?

Can I help ?

[Havak]

Hard to know what would happen if they don't win.

Is Graham Henry still free?

Can't we confiscate their wealth, make them live on income support, take it away from them, then kill them?

I’m against anything that lessens their duration of having to live their new lives to be honest – but I’ll bow to your wishes on this, given I'm outnumbered.

Gratis to retired tight-heads

I like that price!

in Europe many influential families have a "de" or "Von" somewhere in their names...

Yes – ‘of’ generally occurs in the same cases here - and sometimes 'de' still interestingly enough. It’s a give away for pure muppetry from the person concerned.

Finbar asserted many moons ago Scrummy is the best position for captain. And this was before Gregan helmed the Wallabies I think - back in one of the earliest threads I ever crashed? Oh happy days eh?

It’s a good point but I always preferred second rows – generally they stand the best chance of getting the front row to listen, plus the girlies out back always do what they say (or else).

Now where is Caligastia to change the thread?

[Caligastia]

Continue here guys:

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