Mild Torture During Interrogations. That's O.K, Isn't It ?

[Lemmy]

I think a little psychological torture is quite alright, but there has to be a good reason to believe that the suspect is indeed guilty.
Dunno about physical torture, i don't think it's sophisticated enough for us westerners to use

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Arrian
That this has to be spelled out is in and of itself rather apalling.

-Arrian

A) I'm not for torture in any setting
but
B) What a babe in the woods you are. I can see you now. "Unfair, unfair! This is appalling. You can't REALLY be torturing me".
because
C) A GREAT amount of countries do indeed view this use of torture a lot differently than the U.S., Britain, and others, as has been stated numerous times in this thread.

[civman2000]

The American Civil Liberties Union nearly revoked his membership for suggesting that national identity cards should be required

I'm disgusted that they didn't.

On the main topic: I am absolutely sickened by the supporters of torture. No matter how "mild", torture is ALWAYS inhumane. I am relieved that the majority of us are civilized, but disturbed that almost a third are not...

[JCG]

Torture is certainly unacceptable, under 99% of conditions...yet, can truth serums be considered a form of torture?

[SlowwHand]

I wouldn't think so, but I'm no expert.

I've been trying to get a number on countries that are known to employ torture.
Most articles I read cited 70-80 countries, but some put the total much higher.


These were 2 of the sites.

http://www.stoptorture.org/

(A part of Amnesty International)

http://www.omct.org/

[MrFun]

Originally posted by loinburger


Blame Sava for that one. He's the one who implied that it's possible to be moral and evil (or immoral and good).

Should I be shocked that an Apolytoner would blame another fellow Apolytoner?

Or should I be shocked for the never ending behavioral pattern of threadjacking for that matter.

[devilmunchkin]

wouldn't any kind of torture just be a means to glean false confessions....i mean...if someone didn't do it, they didn't do it, and if their hell bent on not confessing...
well,...there are other ways in this day of technology to prove that they did..
i think any form of torture is unnecessary.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by civman2000
I'm disgusted that they didn't.

Indeed. God forbid that somebody express an opinion.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by MrFun
Or should I be shocked for the never ending behavioral pattern of threadjacking for that matter.

There isn't a single OT thread that can't be improved by a bit of a threadjack.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
They are also suspects, not convicts, as they've never been charged with a crime. They are detainees, as you said, and there is no rationale for torture.

The Geneva & Hague conventions state that during a declared war or acknowledged conflict combatants who do not wear military uniforms may be summarially exicuted as spies. The U.S. has decided not to exicute them and instead will hold them for the duration of the conflict. This is in line with standard international war time practices.

I would still be against Torture in the classical sense. Certainly no one should be put on the rack or locked in an iron maiden, that said, they should be made uncomfortable and the conditions they are kept in should be such as to make them believe divulging anything they know is preferable to staying where they are.

[Dinner]

The American Civil Liberties Union nearly revoked his membership for suggesting that national identity cards should be required

Originally posted by civman2000
I'm disgusted that they didn't.

You want someone thrown out simply because he advicated useing a national I.D. card. A card similiar to one used in most other industrialized countries? The ACLU is supposed to be about prtecting constituitional rights not about advicating political actions that have nothing to do with the constituition.

The ACLU's nonprofit status is contingent to it maintaining a nonpartisan position on all things political. If they started to screen their membership to make sure everyone espoused the same far left political mantra then they would have to registar as a political lobbying group and would probably go bankrupt since they'd would lose their tax protected status.

[Ramo]

The ACLU is supposed to be about prtecting constituitional rights not about advicating political actions that have nothing to do with the constituition.

The ACLU is about protecting civil liberties. [Mandatory] National ID cards are clearly about robbing the civil liberties of "illegal" immigrants.

[SlowwHand]

What would you call your Social Security Card, among others ?

[Dinner]

The ACLU is about protecting civil liberties. [Mandatory] National ID cards are clearly about robbing the civil liberties of "illegal" immigrants.

So you would be against national I.D. cards because it would expose some people's criminal wrong doing?

[CapitanGarlic]

*Debatable statement ahead!*

"torture" is a relative term. I'm a pansy, and hate pain or discomfort. But what about a masochist? Would torture for them be getting stuck in a room with fluffy walls, no corners or angles, and light classical music playing?

Also, having Dubya representing your nationality is more than 'mild' torture.