Mild Torture During Interrogations. That's O.K, Isn't It ?

[SlowwHand]

Some are. Just like any group.

[loinburger]

Sonic
SlowwHand, Christians aren't extremists.

Not all of them, but neither are all Muslims extremists. There are extremists in either religion, though.

Edit: Cross posts are hating on me.

[Felch]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yes, if someone did that to my brother, it would certainly make me not want to kill as many of you as I possibly could.

I'd buy up as many weapons as I could and go on a hunting spree in a mall. In other words, don't torture Theben.

The most important point of the Felch Doctrine is to troll in the most horribly repugnant way imaginable.

Should we torture the people and brainwash them first, making them grateful to give their lives to science? I think that would be a splendid little bit of icing on the cake. Especially if you have them record a message right before they die an agonizing death.

"Hey mom, I decided that I love Big Brother enough to volunteer for a science experiment that will strengthen IngSoc and help defeat its enemies throughout the world. Cheers!"

[SlowwHand]

Pardon me, I mis-spoke.
KKK considers themselves Christians, but they aren't.
Just like Bin Laden isnt a normal every day Muslim.

[loinburger]

The Felch doctrine usually works just fine, but if there's somebody like jimmytrick around then there's a good chance that people will mistake the Felchist troller as just another ****wit.

[Capt Dizle]

Your momma wears combat boots.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Oerdin


If it really becomes so painful to continue standing then I'd just sit on the floor. What could they really do to you if you refused to stand

The standard practice used by Scotland Yard in the 1970's was to drag the suspect to a standing position by the ears, hair or testicles.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by jimmytrick
Camp X-Ray is an island, on an island, on an island.
It is a sealed off zone within the US naval base at Guantanamo Bay, which is itself sealed off from the rest of the island of Cuba.
That is one of the reasons the US chose to bring the al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects here: it is impossible to get to, unless the US military flies you in.
At the same time though, it is not US territory, so those imprisoned there have none of the rights of someone brought to American soil.
Washington has said repeatedly that the prisoners at Camp X-Ray have no rights

That's the "Road Trip" defence, isn't it? "It's not torture if it takes place in another country."

[SlowwHand]

I don't see how location has much to do with it; but then, what do I know ?

[Boris Godunov]

I would be appalled to learn that U.S. personel acting in official capacity had so disgraced their uniform and the country they serve by participating in torture.

Loinburger:

One can be evil and amoral, I suppose. Like the politician who ruthlessly connives to gain power, but does so without breaking laws or maliciously hurting others.

But I don't think one can be evil and moral, no. Unless one is evil but never acts upon one's evil nature, which seems very unlikely.

Perhaps we should consider the D&D system of alignment...

[loinburger]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
One can be evil and amoral, I suppose. Like the politician who ruthlessly connives to gain power, but does so without breaking laws or maliciously hurting others.

The only amoral actions are the kind that are involuntary, like breathing or jerking your hand away from a hot stove.

But I don't think one can be evil and moral, no. Unless one is evil but never acts upon one's evil nature, which seems very unlikely.

Evil's in thought and action, not just thought. Some people may have more of a predisposition towards "evil thought" than others, but if they never willfully act on those thoughts then they're clean as far as I'm concerned.

[MrFun]

Back to the thread's topic.

1) Jimmy and Sava seem to be unable to construct coherent arguments in this case, as they use emotional bashing against those with whom they disagree.

2) Torture is always wrong and I don't care what nice, fluffy tag you want to put on it, to make it sound nicer NO MATTER HOW MILD IT WOULD BE.

3) As Boris pointed out, there is a difference between convicts and detainees, but citizens and non-citizens have the same basic rights within the territory of United States.
But of course, as mentioned, we have many detainees in Cuba outside the territory of United States.

4) If you want to start a philsophical discussion on morality and amorality, start a new thread.

[Arrian]

Torture Ok?

What a silly question. Of course not.

-Arrian

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov
I would be appalled to learn that U.S. personel acting in official capacity had so disgraced their uniform and the country they serve by participating in torture.

Then be appalled. Torture was used in Haiti, in Kuwait, and definately in Vietnam. I wouldn't be surprised if it was used in Somolia and Kosovo as well.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I wouldn't be surproised if it was used in Somolia

The only credible accussations I've seen arising out of Somalia were against the Canadians. Maybe we're starting to get better at cover ups.

I haven't heard any allegations of torture by US forces in Kosovo.