Alberta fumes over Chretien's promise to ratify Kyoto

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Speaking of irrational, how do you blame say my aunt here. She has voted pc all her life. She is Canadian and loves the counrty. She hates the governments but loves her country. This goes over most of your very few Alberta hate Canada groups heads.

When the hell did I blame your aunt, or blame any individual Canadian at all? What are you on?

Don't let this tidbit of information fool you. The link explains why the tarsands may not go forward. Man I hate half a story being passed of like Asher just did as the whole story.
Interesting enough in 1997 everyone knew it was comming. Klein passes a weak not enforced, leave it up to the industry as we are reaping in the rewards anti pollution act. Now he whines give it up Ralph you flake.
If he was not out drinking and playing golf with his buddy's he may have actually done something.

Um, no, I think you're having trouble comprehending.
There are still plans to develop the rest of the tarsands, in fact the new upgrader design has been approved, and they're in negotiation now for the materials and labour needed to begin construction. But if Kyoto is passed, they're putting this on indefinite hold due to economic uncertainty -- investors don't like spending $40B in an area where we don't know what will happen.

energy efficiency - Energy efficient producers will protect themselves from environmental opponents and lower their vulnerability to pressures for further emissions reductions. We note that the oil sands industry has been among the leaders in Canadian industry in seeking to voluntarily reduce emissions.

That line should be of great interest to you Asher, it shows how full of chit you really are...Hey and guess what people the fvcking Alberta government published this piece of work in 1998. Just goes to show you how full of Chit Klein is and how gulible some people really are.

What the HELL are you talking about? It backs up EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID.

Look at it, it tells you right away the industry in Alberta has voluntarily been reducing emissions for years -- THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING.

You and Tingkai have been the ones saying no one in Alberta cares for the environment, you and Tingkai have been the ones saying that we NEED Kyoto to reduce emissions.

You provided a quote which backed up my opinion then said I was full of **** with it? Are you forgetting which side of the debate you're on, blackice?

[Tingkai]

Keep posting Asher. Everytime you do, you dig yourself deeper into the ground by exposing your own lies, misconceptions and scaremongering. It certainly is amusing, although doesn't it bother you that you get things wrong all the time?

Later days.

[Asher]

http://www.canada.com/calgary/story.asp?id={95DD1A93-0B21-447B-BEB8-E5017E6F05CB}

Alberta plans first strike
Tories ready to beat feds to the punch

Tom Olsen
Calgary Herald

Thursday, September 05, 2002

Alberta is readying legislation that will outline the pro-vince's strategy on global warming, in the process stressing its commitment to the environment and pre-empting any laws springing from Ottawa's commitment to the Kyoto accord.

Work is in the early stages, but the legislation is being hammered out with input from a multitude of departments, including environment, energy, sustainable resource development and transportation.

Discussions will be held over whether it should include specific targets for emissions reductions, and whether there should be punitive measures for companies that fall short. Early indications are the law will include a strong focus on developing technology for cleaner burning energy, including more sterile ways of using coal.

The province is expected to move toward more incentive-based ways of convincing industry to develop environmentally friendly methods of operating.

Officials from the environment and energy departments are reportedly crafting the legislation. It's intended to be ready for the fall session, typically held in late October or November.

Alberta Environment Minister Lorne Taylor was travelling from South Africa on Wednesday and couldn't be reached for comment.

Taylor is an advocate of funnelling money into producing ways of using energy with a minimum of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere.

One of the minister's main points of contention with the Kyoto accord is the proposed trading of emissions credits. Nations would receive credits for meeting or exceeding targets, and could sell them to countries that fall short.

Taylor insists that amounts to a transfer of money, with no real decrease in CO2. He proposes money that would be spent on credits go into research.

Alberta Economic Development Minister Mark Norris argued Ottawa won't win its demand to be credited for clean energy exports, so it should forget about Kyoto and embrace Alberta's plan as a starting point for a made-in-Canada solution to global warming.

The Alberta plan commits millions to research, with estimates of up to $500 million over 15 years.

As cleaner-burning energy processes evolve, specific economic sectors -- electricity, oil and gas, transportation, municipalities -- will be urged to sign on to specific reduction targets.

The Kyoto protocol seeks to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to six per cent below 1990 levels by 2012.

Chretien enraged the Alberta government when he used a speech in South Africa on Monday to pledge a Commons ratification vote by the end of the year.

Premier Ralph Klein accused Chretien of smashing a promise by committing to hold a ratification vote before convening a first ministers' meeting.

The province has put into place a strategy to harness the voices of all Kyoto dissenters, including business leaders, politicians and industrial associations, in hopes of convincing the prime minister to back off.

If that doesn't work, Plan B calls for a full-scale challenge under the Constitution.

Michael Ritter, former chief parliamentary counsel to the Alberta legislature, said the province likely wouldn't win its challenge.

"My own opinion is they probably wouldn't prevail, but there are a lot of issues the province can raise that are quite legitimate," Ritter said.

Confusion exists over authority regarding resource development, which is a provincial matter, and shared jurisdiction over the environment.

At the end of the day, the Kyoto accord would likely be placed in the environmental category, he said.

Alberta on Wednesday gained the support of Newfoundland and Labrador in opposing ratification of the Kyoto treaty.

Premier Roger Grimes said his province, expected to produce one-third of Canada's light crude oil by next year, will pay a high price in terms of jobs and economic opportunities if the pact is ratified as is.

The Canadian Alliance also lent its support to Alberta.

"I certainly will support whatever Premier (Ralph) Klein does to stop the agreement because I think it is a bad agreement for the country," Alliance Leader Stephen Harper said during the first day of a caucus retreat on Wednesday.

"I don't think (the federal government) will have the guts to implement it because it will have a severe impact on the economy and ordinary people coast to coast."

[Asher]

Originally posted by Tingkai


Keep posting Asher. Everytime you do, you dig yourself deeper into the ground by exposing your own lies, misconceptions and scaremongering. It certainly is amusing, although doesn't it bother you that you get things wrong all the time?

Both you and blackice have posted nothing but rhetoric.

And when confronted with real evidence, logic, and even common sense you back down and resort to lots of to hide your stupidity.

Very transparant, Tingkai.

[Tingkai]

I was going to sign off, but that Calgary Herald article is hilarious. What an outstanding piece of journalism. Did you see how the reporter included both sides of the story by quoting people in support of Kyoto. No? Ah, that was missing wasn't it.

A lovely piece of Alberta government propaganda.

[blackice]

Sure Asher Time to give it up, read the article before you make a fool of yourself. Unreal I wouls suggest everyone save a link to that site and a few more I have. Klein will most certainly want these things pulled. It makes him look like the idiot he is, the most damning is in hansards. Ten bucks says when Klein really starts to whine that pollitically savvy Cretien will toss this stuff out for the media to feed on.

Klein will be doing the eat dog doo dance. It will look good on him and sink any chance of a CA win. Done deal.

[Asher]

Tingkai, you do know that CanWest Global owns the Calgary Herald, which is headed up by the family friend of Chretien?

It's wonderful when you dismiss everything that disagrees with you as propaganda, isn't it? Sure makes thing easier, doesn't it?

[Asher]

Originally posted by blackice
Sure Asher Time to give it up, read the article before you make a fool of yourself. Unreal I wouls suggest everyone save a link to that site and a few more I have. Klein will most certainly want these things pulled. It makes him look like the idiot he is, the most damning is in hansards. Ten bucks says when Klein reallyu starts to whine that pollitically savy Cretien will toss this stuff out for the media to feed on.

Klein will be doing the eat dog doo dance. It will look good on him and sink any chance of a CA win. Done deal.

Klein seems to have done a good job. Canada apparently won't ratify Kyoto unless we get our clean energy exports counted. And as I'm sure you know, the Alberta government has no problem with Kyoto if they count those.

Why don't you just stop posting to argue with me and sit down a think for a bit.

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