OK, smarty pants, how would you "fix" America?

[Jon Miller]

a lot of rich people abuse drugs

they just don't get ****ed as often when they do

BTW, you ignored two of the three reasons

"have no skills and no way of getting any"

and

"owe the pimps money"

you world would have more and more people like this (except in place of pimp put capitalist)

Jon Miller

[Giancarlo]

I was born into a middle class family but my dad has been steadily moving up income brackets. I seen a lot of poverty and drug use where I used to live in Ecuador.

You cannot discredit a social class as ignorant.

Drugs should and will remain illegal in the US as far as I can tell... you libertarians are just dreaming. Even the democrats will continue the drug war... however bloody (and in your opinion a failure) it even may be, it will nonetheless continue and not stop.

[David Floyd]

"have no skills and no way of getting any"

Not my problem. But everyone has the skills to work at McDonald's or Wendy's or KFC, and everyone can dig ditches, and everyone can be janitors. Oh, and guess what? Everyone can join the Army and get skills there - hell, they can even make a career out of the military. Don't tell me no one has options - they do.

"owe the pimps money"

And again, guess WHAT? Not my problem. Don't borrow money from pimps.

[David Floyd]

Drugs should and will remain illegal in the US as far as I can tell... you libertarians are just dreaming. Even the democrats will continue the drug war... however bloody (and in your opinion a failure) it even may be, it will nonetheless continue and not stop.

I know.

[Jon Miller]

not everyone can join the army

and sometimes there are not even Wendies jobs arround

and they borrow money from the pimps or captialists to survive, cause otherwise they will starve

life has been too good recently, and you have no clue about how hard it can be

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

OK, smarty pants, how would you "fix" America?

Local anesthesia, scalpel and sutures.

If pressed, the sutures and local are optional.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by David Floyd


And again, guess WHAT? Not my problem. Don't borrow money from pimps.

That's pretty UnChristian of you.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Why should I? *I* have never used drugs or alchohol, and I've never been in any sort of legal/traffic incident/ And I'm in the demographic mostly likely to have that sort of problem.




Do *you* have proof of that, or are you just running off The Untouchables?

If you really want me to I can bury you in proof. It is almost common knowledge in the US that the prohibition of drugs forces people who do not commit real crimes to become associated with murderers and gangsters to get their drugs. But you sound like one of those fools who thinks that America is winning its drug war. I've got some chores to do around the house and later I'm going out. But if you really want to, I can post piles of proof supporting my point. I just wanted to save you the humiliation of defeat before sending your strawman down in flames.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Fez
Drugs should and will remain illegal in the US as far as I can tell... you libertarians are just dreaming. Even the democrats will continue the drug war... however bloody (and in your opinion a failure) it even may be, it will nonetheless continue and not stop.

Most of the Democrats support the prohibition of drugs. But do you really believe that marijuana should stay illegal.

I think the problem with this discussion is that you cannot lump marijuana in with crack. Every substance is different and should be dealt with accordingly. Any time you generalize anything, you are creating a problem.

My big itch is the prohibition of marijuana. That's what I want to see legalized. Beyond that, there are more important problems to tackle. I just feel that the prohibition of drugs in general is creating more problems than it is solving.

If you truly believe that all drugs are immoral (alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, and hard drugs) than vote for legalization and then support rehab and anti-addiction programs. Prohibition puts violent criminals and addicts in the same category. Addiction is a separate problem and needs to be dealt with outside the realm of law enforcement. That is why prohibition in general is wrong.

[David Floyd]

Jon,

not everyone can join the army

Right now the military is in so desperate need of new recruits, that they have lowered education standards drastically, and in some cases offer obscene bonuses.

and sometimes there are not even Wendies jobs arround

Have you any idea what the turnover rate is at a fast food restaurant or a retail store? It's incredible, I can tell you that from experience. Even if there isn't a job today, there might be tomorrow.

and they borrow money from the pimps or captialists to survive, cause otherwise they will starve

They aren't willing to swallow their pride and go get a job that is beneath them. That sounds like their fault.

Lonestar,

That's pretty UnChristian of you.

Tough. Religion and politics shouldn't be mixed. What I believe about God has nothing to do with what I believe is right and wrong in government.

[Sava]

Originally posted by David Floyd

Have you any idea what the turnover rate is at a fast food restaurant or a retail store? It's incredible, I can tell you that from experience. Even if there isn't a job today, there might be tomorrow.
.

Could you live on a Wendy's wage? I've done the math when I worked at Pizza Hut back in the day, it is simply not possible to work-full time at a minimum wage job and support yourself, let alone a family.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Jon,



Right now the military is in so desperate need of new recruits, that they have lowered education standards drastically, and in some cases offer obscene bonuses.



Have you any idea what the turnover rate is at a fast food restaurant or a retail store? It's incredible, I can tell you that from experience. Even if there isn't a job today, there might be tomorrow.



They aren't willing to swallow their pride and go get a job that is beneath them. That sounds like their fault.

Lonestar,



Tough. Religion and politics shouldn't be mixed. What I believe about God has nothing to do with what I believe is right and wrong in government.

aomwtimwa there are noi jobs

you should realy read some history

you are very misguided

Jon Miller

[KrazyHorse]

aomwtimwa

What does this word mean?

[David Floyd]

Sava,

Could you live on a Wendy's wage? I've done the math when I worked at Pizza Hut back in the day, it is simply not possible to work-full time at a minimum wage job and support yourself, let alone a family.

So work two jobs.

Jon,

aomwtimwa there are noi jobs

What?

[Clear Skies]

Originally posted by David Floyd
Tough. Religion and politics shouldn't be mixed. What I believe about God has nothing to do with what I believe is right and wrong in government.

Don't let God hear you say that. You aren't much of a christian if it doesn't affect a whole part of your life & your beliefs. You're either in or you ain't, and it sounds like you ain't.