Your political views

[Ned]

DarkCloud got a 0, o? Is that truly possible?

One might call him a Republicrat.

[DarkCloud]

Yes, I received a 0,0 But only because I agree on all republican issues, but cede all minor issues to democrats

I also hold the most radical Fascist and Communist views on this forum I think

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About the Fez/Spartak Capitalist/Communist debate here. Did no one notice DinoDoc's comments on page 9?

I thought that it had to do with rampant overspending on the bloated welfare state along wages along with state corruption.

But of course I'm wrong and Argentina had absolutely nothing to do with digging its own grave. It was the evil IMFs fault.

Which I think were the only words of sense sprouted on that page (assuming they are correct)
But no one on either side picked up on them.
For Fez- why- would you rather make this a personal issue rather than a political one?
For The Communists- Do you not have an answer?

I have to say that I am disgusted with the way the argument went (having only read 3 pages of it, was too disgusted to read the earlier pages)
(However, I am glad to say that at least Fez was better on page 10 and, though the argument disappeared [and stayed personal for the most part [the people became 'nicer'] I would like to see it resolved and
I think If DinoDoc's line of thought was followed, then more could have been resolved.

Odin-

he is giving in the logging companies and using wildfires as an excuse, typical of the republicans

But you must agree, fires can be stopped if the brush is cleared. Thus, Bush's proposal makes sense after a fashion.
Destryoing some with logging and MAKING USE OF THEM is better than letting all that wood burn.

[Giancarlo]

For Fez- why- would you rather make this a personal issue rather than a political one?

Argentina dug its own grave because it ruined itself. Argentine politicans stole billions and the country went down the tubes.

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by Kramerman


I always enjoy meeting people with similar views as myself. This would include about everyone along the mid axis from my old score (on the graph) to flameflash towards the right. Nice to meet you all, my fellows of the political golden mean.

Kman

Heh... Always glad to find kindred moderate spirits

DarkCloud's response to Odin
But you must agree, fires can be stopped if the brush is cleared. Thus, Bush's proposal makes sense after a fashion.
Destryoing some with logging and MAKING USE OF THEM is better than letting all that wood burn.

You also have to consider the fact that the we're unnaturally stopping forest fires before they can burn away all the underbrush that would naturally fuel the fires for a while and then burn out.

Instead we're getting stuck with forests that have too much underbrush and the fires, therefore, have a larger chance to hit that critical burn temp for the stronger trees.

I'll agree with the actually making use of them part, but if we could send the logging companies in (which they of course wouldn't agree to) and just grab the dead underbrush stuff and process that, the forest fire problem would be solved because then the natural cycle would be properly circumvented.

Crap... now I'm starting to talk like my quasi-tree-hugging wife

[Odin]

Originally posted by FlameFlash


Heh... Always glad to find kindred moderate spirits



You also have to consider the fact that the we're unnaturally stopping forest fires before they can burn away all the underbrush that would naturally fuel the fires for a while and then burn out.

Instead we're getting stuck with forests that have too much underbrush and the fires, therefore, have a larger chance to hit that critical burn temp for the stronger trees.

I'll agree with the actually making use of them part, but if we could send the logging companies in (which they of course wouldn't agree to) and just grab the dead underbrush stuff and process that, the forest fire problem would be solved because then the natural cycle would be properly circumvented.

Crap... now I'm starting to talk like my quasi-tree-hugging wife

tree hugging is a good thing!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by FlameFlash
Instead we're getting stuck with forests that have too much underbrush and the fires, therefore, have a larger chance to hit that critical burn temp for the stronger trees.

And yet people get pissed when someone suggests thinning the forests as preventative measure.

[FlameFlash]

*nods* Thinning the forest is a good thing, you're right... unfortunately most people do say we're just being greedy capitalists when it's suggested.

[alofatti]

To Kublai-Khan:
I think that there is no point in trying to argue with Fez. It is like speaking to a rock! He denies even the hard evidences (FACTS!) about everything that does not suit well for him.

To Fez:
About the story of the devaluation: you are absolutely wrong, it is a FACT, it is in all kind of media, it was made public by all the media and the IMF does not even deny it!!! Trying to deny this is futile.

[DinoDoc]

Why are you ignoring my comments?

[alofatti]

My excuses, DD, are you referring to me?
If that is the case, I apologize and I would like to ask you if you could mark me where did you comment something that needed an answer from me (I might have jumped it).

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by alofatti
My excuses, DD, are you referring to me?

Originally posted by alofatti
Quoted from Fez:
You know? Recent analyst are starting to think that Argentine crisis surged because the government interfered too little...

I thought that it had to do with rampant overspending on the bloated welfare state along wages along with state corruption.

But of course I'm wrong and Argentina had absolutely nothing to do with digging its own grave. It was the evil IMFs fault.

[alofatti]

I will not repeat all the arguments here because I have already did in some other posts in this thread.
I will resume it here: the local government is quite responsible of the disaster, but I do still held as partial responsibles of this the IMF.
That welfare state that you are talking about was finished long time ago. It started in 1976, with the militare coup, which started a process of ultraliberalization of the economy with catastrophics effects in the local industry. The 90s with the Menemist government (with Domingo Felipe Cavallo as Economy Minister most of the time) finished all that. Argentina was considered by the "establishment", as the perfect example of a neoliberal country.
The overbloated spending was caused mostly because of the interests of the external deb, but the real cause of the deficit was, in the views of some important econimics (including Joseph Stiglitz), the privatization of the social security system, imposed by the IMF inside its package of privatizations. He also said that if USA would privatize it, it would have a fiscal deficit comparable to the 8 % of the GDP, more than double of the Argentinian deficit in relation with GDP.

[Plan Austral]

Fez, do you live in a bubble?

For a month, A MONTH, our currency was pegged to the dolar at 1.40.

Where were you in the summer?
Dont you remember this?

[Zoid]

Originally posted by Fez


Considering we are like two rottweliers that will never stop attacking each other.

I´m sure others are more hostlie towards you than I am, besides I´ve given up trying to reason with you...

[Giancarlo]

Originally posted by alofatti
I will not repeat all the arguments here because I have already did in some other posts in this thread.
I will resume it here: the local government is quite responsible of the disaster, but I do still held as partial responsibles of this the IMF.

The federal government is responsible for the disaster as well as the local government. I put no responsibilities on the IMF as they gave this country a chance at building itself up and it squandered the money.

That welfare state that you are talking about was finished long time ago. It started in 1976, with the militare coup, which started a process of ultraliberalization of the economy with catastrophics effects in the local industry.

Wrong. The economy was mostly state owned during the military junta, that was why it had to be privatized in the 90s.

The 90s with the Menemist government (with Domingo Felipe Cavallo as Economy Minister most of the time) finished all that. Argentina was considered by the "establishment", as the perfect example of a neoliberal country.

Actually it was not, it had rampant corruption and reeks with marcomismanagement.

The overbloated spending was caused mostly because of the interests of the external deb, but the real cause of the deficit was, in the views of some important econimics (including Joseph Stiglitz), the privatization of the social security system,

Well that is incorrect. The deficit was clearly caused by excessive borrowings by the Menem government in its second term.

imposed by the IMF inside its package of privatizations. He also said that if USA would privatize it, it would have a fiscal deficit comparable to the 8 % of the GDP, more than double of the Argentinian deficit in relation with GDP.

The Japanese economy has a deficit of about approximately several trillion however it has remained resillent even when confronted with crisis this decade... it still is managing to hold on. The Argentine economy is unproductive and relatively inadequate leading to an economic downturn.

Fez, do you live in a bubble?

For a month, A MONTH, our currency was pegged to the dolar at 1.40.

Where were you in the summer?
Dont you remember this?

How long did that last? Two weeks.

Suck it up, your country's government is a joke.